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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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now those of you

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who were listening to

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after the power cast or last week's

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episode of the power casting will recall

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that we

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were going to talk to james carrion who

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wrote a book sometime back called the

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rosetta deception

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and was working on a roswell deception

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and he's talking about an office of

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strategic deception

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that was in operation

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during world war ii and thereafter and

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obviously we know what that means just

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by the name

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he first

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booked an appearance

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first part of september

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can't make it the family issue okay we

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understand that so i said with the 15th

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of september for the recording session

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this is for an episode that will be

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aired

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three days later the 18th would that be

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good for you and he said i've got it on

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my calendar no problem

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so as i always do

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with these

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shows i confirm

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or reconfirm with the guest

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a day or two before make sure

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everybody's ready we're on the same page

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about time and understand of course we

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arizona time zone issue

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in the summer we're equivalent to

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pacific time in the winter we're

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mountain time in any case i get a note

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from him yesterday in the afternoon

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can't make it can't make it family issue

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well you know okay i understand that we

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all have

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families and problems and so

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all right that's it

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now you really don't want to

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ask somebody would you come on in two

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hour notice or one day notice

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so it's us

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me and chris and goggs makai

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but you know this happens occasionally

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we'll forgive

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james one more time

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give him a third time then it's of

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course a strikeout you know third time

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lucky yeah you know third time's a charm

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whatever

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give him the third

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at-bat and let's see what he does and

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hopefully he'll come on and as i said i

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respect the fact that some people

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you know things happen in the meantime

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if nothing happens next week

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we'll have

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kathleen martin and stanton friedman and

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they've got a new book

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that

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appears to me to be about focusing more

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ufo secrecy

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and such than case histories

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so that's more like richard dolan's

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territory really well the

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title of the book is fact fiction and

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flying saucers the truth behind the

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misinformation distortion and division

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by debunkers government agencies and

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conspiracy con men

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i like the latter one you know we all

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know about debunkers

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these are people who will dismiss

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something

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at a moment's notice without evidence we

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know about the government agencies

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conspiracy con men hmm

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wonder who they're talking about

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if you're looking at a conspiracy con

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man chris

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or con women

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to be politically correct

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whom would you choose

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alex jones maybe

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all right you know you know of course

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most of our listeners who are familiar

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with gc david ike

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we mentioned alex jones he is the main

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most popular

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talk show host on gcn

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he's the guy

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on the network yeah

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he's mr gcn well probably david ike

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could get i think you know my number one

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stephen bassett for me i think he is a

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a plant

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like a government plant

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because i can't believe anyone who is as

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intelligent as stephen and who does so

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much to organize conferences and

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hearings and

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trying to get the government to open up

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about ufos

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and then he kind of like shoots himself

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in the foot by

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tacking on you know the worst of

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possible witnesses

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and he would you would think even if he

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even if he does believe those witnesses

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he must be he must be able to understand

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that if you go too far like too soon

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people who are not accepting of ufos

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they're not going to swallow the most

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extreme kind of stories straight away

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you need to kind of just get your foot

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in the door by doing the first step and

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you are totally shooting yourself in the

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foot by you know

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having the former former canadian

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defense minister on

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things like that i just cannot believe

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that he couldn't be more selective about

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who he chooses as witnesses to go in

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front of congressional hearings or

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whatever

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yeah yeah i probably had linda howe in

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there a little bit too i think she's

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been

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caught with their skirt down a couple

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times promoting

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what turn out to be hoaxes and then once

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the hoax is

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exposed uh still continuing to support

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it

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promoting this ridiculous uh

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huge giant what two mile triangular

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buried ufo was so big they couldn't take

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it away so they buried it

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that was totally uh

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debunked by ron regaire center 20 page

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report on it she

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went right ahead and presented

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total fabricated information at the

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first crash retrieval conference and

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then had the

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the gall to come back the next year and

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uh in report a follow-up

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because let me just tell you if you look

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up the comic book

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canon it's fort ross

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i won't say anything more

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ford ross is supposedly a

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prison

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from krypton that crashed on earth

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forget about it you don't know i know

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about that it kind of gets old gene well

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yeah but it's as credible

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as anything else it's more credible than

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what we're talking about what about bill

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moore

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um well he's

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yeah at least he he fessed up and then

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got out um

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you know another one uh john lear

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uh has been at the at the

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the onset and at the beginning of many

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huge uh memes

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that uh

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are

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at best questionable um the whole lira

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hypothesis in 87 of the

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the evil aliens and and that whole thing

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has just really taken on a life of its

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own and

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you know i must say though the

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i think people

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by and large a true believer crowd

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they're more interested in in positive

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spins on fantasy and delusions so i

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think the evil alien meme is

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slowly being devoured

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by the benevolent space brother meme

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i think people just by and large would

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delude themselves that the

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the aliens that are coming and visiting

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our planet are um are benevolent and

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have our best interests at heart

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so they'd rather not have derozan

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tearows they want orthon who was the

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name of the

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being that george adamski met

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right or samyasi i mean you could go

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through billy myers another one he's

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gotten away with

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incredible amounts of

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bs over 40 years uh

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50 years practically

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yeah there's a bunch but

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why accentuate the negative um

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you know i'd much rather accentuate the

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positive

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and uh talk about

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you know people that are actually

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pulling

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this morass of a field forward kicking

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and screaming um there's not many

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but they're they're out there and

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they're i think they're worthy of

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discussion

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well chris any news on the slv camera

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project any developments yeah we've got

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our first camera up i'm

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trying to get the isp provider uh who's

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offered to put up a transceiver on the

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house

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trying to get him to call me back he

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needs to send the guy out there and

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establish line of sight

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we have to decide which tower he's going

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to shoot at but until he sends somebody

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out there i mean you know i can't do

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anything so

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i've got several calls into him he's

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super busy this time of year but

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and of course my team is totally dogging

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me they're you know howling uh you know

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the camera's up let's get it online and

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he's offered to actually

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provide a server in denver

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to

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um stream stream the uh the camera

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does new doesn't use of current

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sightings in the san luis valley does

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that filter back to you still is it

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still an active place

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yeah the sightings never really went

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away i think they've they've ebbed and

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flowed uh normally um this time of year

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spring and fall is when uh there's more

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reported activity let's add a flow of

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this announcement and then we'll

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we were going to have james carry on

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to talk about the office of strategic

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deception from world war ii in the early

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days of the ufo era and how things might

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have been impacted unfortunately he had

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a problem so we're figuring out when to

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have him on

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we've got so many guests we're working

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on for the next few weeks we don't know

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when but this is going to be the same

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situation that my wife had with a doctor

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where we canceled a couple of times and

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the doctor said if you don't make it

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this time number three

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try another doctor so

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we'll give james another try see what

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happens in any case you were starting to

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answer a question

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from

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gogs about new developments latest

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developments current developments in the

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mysterious valley if you're still in the

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loop and you started the answer i did

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answer that and then he asked me if if

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uh you know what

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levels of activity are we seeing there

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one of the things that really was the

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final

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motivator for adrian to get the actually

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physically get the camera up and mounted

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on his house was he

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had woke up about four in the morning

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and was seeing these a beautiful

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anomalous light display over blanca

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peak which is um you know just directly

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east of him and he you know he got his

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wife up and they both watched it for a

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number of minutes and

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and he's he's just kicking himself

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saying it's saying to his wife god if

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i'd had the camera

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we'd be able to have all this on on

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you know capture all this on

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you know recording and so that that

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really was the final i think push

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uh we've had quite a number of reports

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actually this summer

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uh actually a notable uh summer there's

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been i think a little bit more than

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normal activity i think more people are

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out

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moving in there

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the reputation of the place

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is i think growing there locally it's

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interesting a lot of the locals they'll

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see stuff and and it's it's such a part

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of their everyday reality that it's not

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a big deal to them so they don't make a

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big deal out of it it's the new people

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moving in

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that see stuff that that become jazzed

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and tend to be more vocal about about

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experiences any uh any reports of giant

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black triangles kind of like phoenix

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light style things no no um there hasn't

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been any

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we had

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well there was one report of something

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really large blocking out uh the stars

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it and it appeared to be more boomerang

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shaped

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but again it was very very difficult for

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them to judge you know how large it was

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because

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it was not lit up

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you know there's no way to really judge

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altitude so it kind of sounds like one

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of the ones reported in the hudson

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valley

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uh flap yeah again you get maybe one or

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two of these reports every summer from

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people out sky watching

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usually uh

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well a lot of them have been in august

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during the perseids uh so

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plus a lot of this stuff i'm getting

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second hand

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i really haven't made

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much of an effort because my

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my 10 years of work and my database has

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really has been

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yeah it's just not

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it's never referred to

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uh my work has never

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really

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made much of a dent in in the uh

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ufological um

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glitterati uh

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every map i see of sightings doesn't

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have any of my data in it

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on from the san luis valley

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um every mention of ufo hot spots with

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with a few exceptions totally forget to

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talk about the flapping of the 90s and

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of the 60s in the valley of the late 70s

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the place gets no respect so i'm not i'm

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not making a real concerted effort

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uh and haven't had

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uh really made any concerted efforts to

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to be as diligent about documenting

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things and and following up and doing uh

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the phone calls and the type of uh you

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know potential legwork i could do when i

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go up there

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because i i don't think uh it's not

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worth it i i don't think my work has

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been taken

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as seriously as it deserves i don't

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think the database that i have

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laboriously put together and

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and had available for anyone who wants

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it uh for

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almost 20 years now well you know you

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never know if the slv

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gets up and running and generates any

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great data photos whatever you never

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know interest could pick up and you know

509
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that i think there are a lot of things

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in life where people do a great body of

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work hopefully not for you but sometimes

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people's work isn't respected or highly

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regarded or even totally understood

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until years later maybe even after their

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death and stuff so i mean obviously

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that's no use to you but um you know the

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fact that no one else has done it in

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that period to that degree there

519
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and then you're doing this anyway

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yeah so except maybe maybe anne ruffel

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in california in the la basin area she

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probably has a larger database than i do

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but again she's another one that really

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you rarely hear her name you really hear

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about her work a couple of her books

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maybe gets mentioned from people like

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stan gordon

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there's a number of us out um

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there's there's a list of people that

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have done really good quality work uh in

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their regions

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and have not attempted to promote

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themselves have not attempted to promote

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their data

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their work have allowed the work to

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speak for itself

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they don't get the recognition that they

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deserve it's the people that go around

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blasting their own horns

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touting their own personalities

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creating cults of personality around

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themselves pontificating

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about things that they don't have any

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evidence or data to back up they're the

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ones that get all the notoriety

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you know have the the big selling books

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you know get the the the contracts with

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their and get their own tv show type

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deals

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you know i'm i'm not really in into the

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subject uh for those reasons and i don't

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think stan and

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and anne and and others uh are in

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the subject

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to s for self-ingrandizement or to

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become rich and famous i think we're

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doing it because it's a passion

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it's a it's a

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a step forward and trying to help

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pull our knowledge forward

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uh

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another inch or two

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and

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it's it's without the lust of results um

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you know

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people here at the podcast definitely

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appreciate what you've done i do

568
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personally and i suppose you could

569
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compare it to like the music industry

570
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when you think of who really gets you

571
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know uh front page on the newspapers or

572
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spoken about on the internet on the news

573
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and who's in the charts it does not

574
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reflect actually really

575
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all the quality music out there being

576
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made by bands that you never get to hear

577
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of because of they don't have big record

578
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companies behind them or just

579
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you know idiots and yeah

580
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maybe maybe the recognition factor is

581
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totally missing

582
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but

583
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the work itself is totally worthy it

584
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might not generally i don't know an

585
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income or

586
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or

587
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respect from the masses but there are

588
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people out there like myself who totally

589
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respect i'm talking about respect from

590
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the field itself

591
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yeah i'm not talking about respect from

592
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the masses i'm talking about respect

593
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from from the field itself how come none

594
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of my black triangle sightings are on

595
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the in the larry hatch database or in

596
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the uh uh the mufon database or in the

597
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uh the nids database i sent all my

598
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information to these people in

599
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a high percentage i think 60 percent of

600
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my black triangle sightings were by law

601
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enforcement

602
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let's discuss this further guys in our

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next segment with gene chris and goggs

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the recognition factor whether

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the people who do all this hard work

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have to have pr

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departments to get the word out let me

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and we're talking about an unfortunate

734
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thing here where

735
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,600
if someone gets good buzz

736
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,159
self-generated whatever doesn't matter

737
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,320
about the quality of their work they get

738
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,720
some kind of recognition but if they're

739
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,200
not spending as much time out there

740
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,039
promoting themselves

741
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,600
as they are doing the work chris o'brien

742
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:37,520
they're not heard from as often that is

743
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,799
just terrible

744
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,279
well you know again i it's not so much

745
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,159
the the accolades from the public or the

746
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,200
notoriety or the fame and fortune that

747
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:49,679
i'm i'm lamenting here i'm talking about

748
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,720
the field itself the field itself has

749
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:54,000
never

750
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,520
made an attempt

751
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:58,799
to integrate my data into your standard

752
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,840
databases and to me that's criminal it's

753
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:03,520
either that or there is some sort of

754
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,039
plot to uh keep a damper on information

755
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,360
about the san luis valley uh yeah i

756
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,960
can't you know for the life of me figure

757
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,720
out what what it is

758
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,880
to be honest you know it's gotten to the

759
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,360
point where i really don't care

760
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:19,039
and when people say whoa

761
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,559
what what about sightings in the san

762
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,679
luis valley i say yeah they're

763
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,000
percolating along but you know what's

764
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,600
the point of writing them down and doing

765
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,679
all the leg work and busting my ass like

766
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,000
i did for 10 years when

767
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,399
nobody seems to give a squat

768
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:34,000
now let me ask you a question here it

769
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doesn't make sense to me either but you

770
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think

771
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move on

772
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supposedly mainstream ufo research

773
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,399
organizations

774
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have you ever asked them hey i got all

775
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this information here you have a

776
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question

777
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,159
i've said i've given it all to them okay

778
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what did they say is every response

779
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:53,760
no

780
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my black triangle sightings i gave to

781
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larry hatch and i gave to uh

782
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uh you know to the nids guys and i gave

783
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,200
to mufon it's never been it's never been

784
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,279
collated into their data

785
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the black triangle sightings i think 60

786
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70 percent of them were reported by law

787
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enforcement

788
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which which should be considered you

789
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know high quality for sure

790
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so what's going on here chris this is

791
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almost criminal that all this work

792
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you've done

793
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and it's being ignored they don't

794
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respond they don't do anything

795
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,240
you know we really want to bring someone

796
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,960
in here and put them on the carpet and

797
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,440
say here's the information he sent it to

798
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you if you have a question or a doubt

799
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,200
about it certainly express your point of

800
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:43,279
view but what's going on

801
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i didn't even get a thank you oh boy or

802
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,039
an acknowledgement that it was even sent

803
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,399
so you know

804
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,320
that's why i am not

805
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busting my butt

806
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,919
out there in the field

807
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:58,080
here in this area the verde valley area

808
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,440
which there's

809
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,360
quite a number of sightings that go on

810
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:03,039
here nowhere near as much as in south

811
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central colorado north central new

812
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mexico

813
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i mean people would rather tout this

814
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place as being america's number one hot

815
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,520
spot

816
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and the whole fiasco i had with the ufo

817
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hunter show was a perfect illustration

818
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of that which i've recited on the show

819
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here many times sure

820
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,279
well you know i wonder here too but some

821
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,840
not invented here kind of syndrome i

822
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mean if you were a state director for

823
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mufon

824
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they'd listen to it but you're an

825
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outside guy and maybe is that it is an

826
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ego thing we don't want to give

827
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,840
recognition to outside researchers it

828
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all comes from our people

829
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,640
it was uh

830
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,440
in terms of walt anders yeah but then

831
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john schuster took over and he was a big

832
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,519
fan he was one of the first people to

833
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:49,679
contact me when i first started out in

834
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93. he he was one of the first people i

835
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,640
started sending updates to

836
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and yet none of none of my information

837
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,480
was ever was ever included

838
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,240
the way you're explaining it just now

839
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,039
it's hard not to think that there's

840
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,519
literally something

841
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,440
it's almost being censored or

842
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deliberately because

843
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,399
deliberately stepped on because you know

844
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,720
surely with some you know definitely as

845
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:16,399
you're saying 60 percent of black

846
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:19,600
triangle sightings from police officers

847
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:23,120
you know that should be gold dust data

848
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:24,159
and

849
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,760
even not to even get an acknowledgement

850
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,519
that you send

851
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,120
no wonder you're

852
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:33,039
annoyed i know we can't say certain

853
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,720
words but yeah i'd be like you know yeah

854
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,720
i don't i don't really care anymore i

855
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,320
haven't cared for a long time that's why

856
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,240
i never even bring this subject up

857
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,559
because it makes me sound like a whiner

858
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:45,840
you know

859
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,880
i put 300 000 miles on my body in six

860
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,480
years

861
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,000
and that's not even

862
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,159
the many times i was actually taken to

863
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:58,320
sites uh for various reasons by other

864
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,519
people

865
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:01,120
and that's just how many miles i put on

866
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,480
my own truck

867
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:05,120
and uh you know i i really i burnt the

868
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,799
candle at both ends and spent a lot of

869
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,720
money attempting to to get to the bottom

870
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,120
of what was going on

871
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,720
and it's like you know

872
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,640
sure i wrote some books sure some people

873
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,399
bought the books but

874
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,480
i didn't even make back my advance on my

875
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,080
second book

876
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:22,640
so it's just you know it's a thankless

877
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,590
let's drop this kind of quite depressing

878
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:29,360
state of affairs

879
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,000
there he goes grumpy chris again no no i

880
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,399
mean i mean the state it's horrible just

881
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,880
to even think about you know how people

882
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,960
are ignoring stuff like this here's a

883
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,880
question i've always meant to ask you

884
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,240
chris

885
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,679
what do you think of these prairie

886
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:45,519
dragon things

887
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,399
well i really don't know um

888
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:51,600
it seems to be some sort of dimensional

889
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,399
form

890
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,640
um it's almost either that or it's it's

891
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,559
some weird

892
00:34:02,549 --> 00:33:57,840
time

893
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,559
like i said animals react to them

894
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,799
is that photo you know you'll know the

895
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,320
one i'm talking about well you're

896
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,040
understanding the road and it definitely

897
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,200
looks like there's something there uh

898
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,679
and but i don't really know much about

899
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:15,919
reports people have said kind of thing

900
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,960
it doesn't come up much in cryptozoology

901
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,480
i don't i don't even know i suppose if

902
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:21,839
that's really the

903
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,879
uh heading it should be under but um i

904
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,159
that's the kind of stuff that really

905
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,839
interests me

906
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,839
well they tend to be found

907
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,200
centered they tend to be more

908
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,079
concentrated around anomalies

909
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,720
very specific anomaly spots

910
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,800
uh the majority of the reports that i've

911
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:41,200
had uh center around

912
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,320
three spots that have everything from

913
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,200
the ghost pioneer and a buck board

914
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,079
to that spot that rosemary and i

915
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,720
uh had that

916
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,800
it's gonna bring the top yeah

917
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,399
uh that that

918
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,320
the area the houses right around that

919
00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:00,000
area tend to be the ones that report

920
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,440
these things more

921
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:04,320
uh that turn on the t road uh you know

922
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:05,440
the

923
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,480
you know that

924
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,960
the s turns out there that first s turn

925
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,040
is where we have had

926
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:13,920
i i don't know how many a dozen or more

927
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,640
reports of a a phantom buck board and uh

928
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,560
kind of one night we had i think four

929
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,320
reports of a

930
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,560
of a herd of ghost horses running

931
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,359
alongside people's cars and

932
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:28,960
beyond the horses was a different

933
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,680
background than what's actually there so

934
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,240
it you know it's it's some sort of a

935
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:36,000
portal phenomenon

936
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,520
um

937
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:39,839
god we even had trooping fairies

938
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,160
reported at the closest house to that

939
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:45,359
one spot that uh rosemary and i uh had

940
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,560
our little

941
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:47,839
to do

942
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,320
you know i really don't know um like i

943
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,240
said they're opaque in the middle

944
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,920
you can't see through them in the middle

945
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,800
but

946
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,240
very quickly as you go out towards the

947
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,119
ends they're translucent or transparent

948
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:00,960
uh they don't appear to have a head they

949
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,680
don't appear to have a tail the

950
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,680
although there's kind of long elongated

951
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,680
appendages they look like sea slugs or

952
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,839
something there's no legs

953
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,520
they move through the air within an

954
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,359
undulating fashion almost like you'd

955
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,000
imagine something moving through water

956
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,920
like a seahorse or something kind of

957
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:19,920
bobbing mistly

958
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,720
well no it undulates up and down like a

959
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,560
like a sine wave

960
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,040
animals uh are able to see them and

961
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,160
respond to them and and chase after them

962
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,680
they tend like i said they tend to be

963
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,839
centralized around um areas where we

964
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,079
have a variety of

965
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,760
weirdness type

966
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,000
accounts being reported so i'm really

967
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,920
not sure what to make of them uh again

968
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,599
the word prairie dragon

969
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we got more to talk about things that

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1078
00:41:20,110 --> 00:41:17,760
this is kurt 70 author of ufo mysteries

1079
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1081
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:25,839
so we have the unsung hero of ufo

1082
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research chris o'brien

1083
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,720
who's been covering all this stuff for

1084
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the mysterious valley and not getting

1085
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:35,040
the recognition he deserves

1086
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:36,240
we're making it sound like i'm

1087
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complaining that i'm not getting

1088
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recognition no i am not i am not chris

1089
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i'm just saying i think

1090
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that we should get the recognition i'm

1091
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listening to all the stuff you've done

1092
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,200
all the hard work you've done and i

1093
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think something ought to be done

1094
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,000
it's the work

1095
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,839
it's not me

1096
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,319
you know this this whole field is a is a

1097
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,480
good old boys club

1098
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and if you don't tow the eth line you

1099
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don't play by the eth rules

1100
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,640
you don't count out to the to the proper

1101
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,680
uh individuals uh you're

1102
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,000
persona non grata and and i've always

1103
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:13,760
known that and i don't care

1104
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,720
you know i'm i don't see any reason

1105
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:18,400
to put my

1106
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,119
bet behind a theory that has absolutely

1107
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,160
no evidence to support it

1108
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:28,000
and until there is evidence i'm going to

1109
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,599
be looking elsewhere because to me it's

1110
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:31,920
the least likely it's the least likely

1111
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,599
theory that uh that is operative here

1112
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,680
too many different types of aliens being

1113
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,440
spotted too many different types of

1114
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,240
ships too many reports you know they're

1115
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,160
flying around daily like they live here

1116
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,839
which is probably

1117
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,680
whatever they are they have

1118
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,400
they're as much as a terrestrial form in

1119
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:53,040
this closed system as we are

1120
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,720
maybe they're dimensional maybe they're

1121
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:57,119
time based maybe they are other tenants

1122
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,119
in the building i don't know but i

1123
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,440
seriously doubt anything

1124
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:03,200
from out there is coming here i really

1125
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,000
do

1126
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,560
uh until we have evidence to

1127
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,800
you know refute that

1128
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:11,040
i'm sticking to my guns yeah and like

1129
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:15,359
big big reptilians with red cloaks and

1130
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:18,319
uh galactic orders and

1131
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,119
um

1132
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,880
yeah there's just a lot i mean it's just

1133
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,200
to me it's just like religion there's so

1134
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,280
many flavors there's so

1135
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:28,000
many fringe aspects there's so many true

1136
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,359
believers

1137
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,040
um just

1138
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:34,160
yeah you just gotta ignore a lot of it

1139
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,440
um

1140
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:38,560
i i think for a lot of people most of us

1141
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:42,880
go through the eth stage and while not

1142
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,240
while not dismissing it at all it's now

1143
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:48,400
it's just the more you find out about

1144
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:52,000
this subject of ufology you just cannot

1145
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,599
explain

1146
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,079
nearly half of things

1147
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,319
just with the eth

1148
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:00,960
that that's that's just by giving the

1149
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,560
same weight of belief or disbelief to

1150
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,720
what people are saying

1151
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,400
and we all know that

1152
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,960
quite often people may report

1153
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,560
seeing something

1154
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,240
but it might be a while before they

1155
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,319
would ever offer some of the other weird

1156
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,480
things that have been happening and

1157
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,040
there's definitely a joined up picture

1158
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,920
going on and that i i think it's far

1159
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,319
more widespread that people have

1160
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,000
probably you know the poltergeist

1161
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,119
activity or just strange events and i've

1162
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:33,040
said for a long time i think there's

1163
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,960
kind of like when you take somewhere

1164
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,520
like skinwalker ranch and all those

1165
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,000
very very different phenomena that was

1166
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,640
reported well if we kind of give equal

1167
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:44,800
weight to those reports even just the

1168
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:47,680
ones all coming from the sherman family

1169
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,240
then you know that's not all eth that's

1170
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,640
not all goes to something i i've said

1171
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:54,400
for a long time it's like there's

1172
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:57,760
there's some paranormal force just maybe

1173
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,640
some universal paranormal force and it

1174
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,960
can manifest itself

1175
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,599
in a variety of ways

1176
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,599
be it big fruit

1177
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,680
robots that talk

1178
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,680
strange ships

1179
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:14,160
ghosts poltergeists other strange

1180
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,280
cryptid

1181
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,839
creatures prairie dragons whatever but i

1182
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:20,160
think probably at the root of it all

1183
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,520
there is

1184
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:23,440
the same kind of thing

1185
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:24,240
how

1186
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:29,680
god only knows but

1187
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:33,680
yeah i just cannot just go with eth

1188
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,119
for in terms of ufology although

1189
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:39,119
i do like to think

1190
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,079
that

1191
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,880
maybe re you know other stars i'd like

1192
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,800
to think somewhere in the galaxy in the

1193
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,440
universe that other intelligent beings

1194
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,000
have managed to get around the kind of

1195
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:52,400
speed of light thing and

1196
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,079
it's because it just gives me hope to

1197
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,240
think that maybe in the future humans

1198
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:59,280
really will go to the stars will

1199
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,800
have

1200
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,160
kind of

1201
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,640
friendships with completely different

1202
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:07,119
other races and peop some humans will

1203
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,560
get to explore just ridiculously amazing

1204
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,400
places and worlds

1205
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,960
you know imagine civilizations that have

1206
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,640
been on the go for

1207
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,440
millions of years and may have colonized

1208
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,000
planets and moons and stuff it's

1209
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,920
kind of probably for like a lot of

1210
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,359
people like myself who kind of

1211
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,920
appreciate a bit of sci-fi to think that

1212
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,000
that could actually be going on

1213
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,720
somewhere right now out in the universe

1214
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,119
well i want a part of that and if not me

1215
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,920
i like to think that humans will someday

1216
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:39,440
and i've always said that when it comes

1217
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:40,240
to

1218
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:44,400
ufos i'm more interested in

1219
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,440
things like have intelligent beings

1220
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,960
being able to

1221
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,280
create anti-gravity technology maybe

1222
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,680
time traveling can they break the speed

1223
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,400
of light these kind of things i'm far

1224
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,040
less interested in any message from

1225
00:47:04,270 --> 00:47:02,480
zeta reticuli graze going on about

1226
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,280
whatever certainly any kind of

1227
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,800
quasi-religious messages

1228
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,560
to me it's not it's not just about the

1229
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:10,480
tech but it's about the fact that yeah

1230
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:14,240
the future is happening now for

1231
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,839
other beings and it could be ours if we

1232
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,480
don't kill ourselves by a crazy

1233
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,200
man-made virus or something but i think

1234
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:26,079
that that's and it just makes the

1235
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,440
if one percent of what we talk about in

1236
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,839
the podcast if one percent of that is

1237
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,720
true

1238
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,119
then it makes the universe just an

1239
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:37,280
infinitely more interesting place than

1240
00:47:42,550 --> 00:47:41,280
it already is i think yeah yeah

1241
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,560
part of the

1242
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,920
problem may

1243
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:45,920
sometimes be that people don't want

1244
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,400
complicated solutions and what we're

1245
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:50,160
offering here

1246
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:51,599
is a set of solutions that are

1247
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,319
complicated because i remember

1248
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:56,800
one of our former co-hosts said that he

1249
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,200
had gone to a mufon meeting

1250
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,200
near his home and he was presenting some

1251
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,960
of his ideas which are very much in sync

1252
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,079
with the kind of things we've been

1253
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:05,680
talking about in the power cast for 10

1254
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,640
years

1255
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:08,720
and someone says to him well can i have

1256
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:11,920
the reader's digest version

1257
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,319
and of course that set him off

1258
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,240
because he said it's not that easy you

1259
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,880
can't do it actually i think he reacted

1260
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,200
in a far more

1261
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,440
angry fashion

1262
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:25,200
demonstrative

1263
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:26,160
yes

1264
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,280
quite

1265
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,040
not a way that we might do it but the

1266
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:30,559
point was

1267
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,359
that

1268
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,400
maybe

1269
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,040
part of the issue here is because people

1270
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,800
want a simple answer

1271
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,400
i'm not going to get into that realm

1272
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,559
they'll pick a politician with

1273
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,240
ready solutions for everything whether

1274
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:44,559
those solutions are real or fake

1275
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:47,920
they'll pick the ufo personality who can

1276
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:51,119
basically reduce it to a few words

1277
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,079
okay

1278
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,160
ufos are from other planets the

1279
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,319
government's keeping it a secret

1280
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,040
and therefore it's a cosmic watergate

1281
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,920
sorry stan but i said it all right

1282
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,599
that's part of the problem a big part of

1283
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,760
the problem and

1284
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:07,760
it's sending out the message and if the

1285
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,760
message isn't easy to distill into those

1286
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,520
10 words or whatever

1287
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,119
it doesn't come across and that's not

1288
00:49:18,829 --> 00:49:17,359
saying people are stupid because they

1289
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,839
can't understand

1290
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,880
multi-syllable sentences or anything it

1291
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,720
means that they have a lot of priorities

1292
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,920
in their lives

1293
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:26,240
such as the game of survival

1294
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,359
and if you don't give them a quick

1295
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:29,520
answer they move elsewhere yeah i mean

1296
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:32,000
if you if someone asks

1297
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:33,520
why did

1298
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,079
you know people kind of like to say well

1299
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:40,640
it was because of the nazi party and

1300
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,079
adolf hitler

1301
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,040
but really if was if you spoke to a

1302
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,200
learned historian

1303
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,119
they would probably come out with a

1304
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,599
million different threads of how

1305
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,280
various social

1306
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,200
and political interactions were

1307
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,880
happening all over europe and around the

1308
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,280
world and stuff and this and that

1309
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,640
and yeah really for a lot of actual

1310
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,760
things the the reasons are complicated

1311
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:07,119
numerous

1312
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:08,000
and

1313
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,400
yeah i mean it's my it's like my opinion

1314
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,640
of religion it's not that religion is

1315
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:19,920
necessarily

1316
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:23,359
a bad idea but it's i think some people

1317
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:26,880
really don't want to be troubled with

1318
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,599
really deeply with the idea of well what

1319
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:31,839
happens when we die or

1320
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,720
where did the how did time start or

1321
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:35,760
where

1322
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,559
and people don't really want to some

1323
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,319
people don't really want to waste their

1324
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,599
time or their

1325
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:47,440
whatever intellect they have

1326
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:48,480
really

1327
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,280
things it's just easier if they can

1328
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,079
just say oh well here it's in this book

1329
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:57,760
follow that and then they think that's

1330
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,839
fine it's explained or i don't have to

1331
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,280
think about it

1332
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,599
and for a lot of people i i think for

1333
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:04,800
religion

1334
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:07,920
it's just an easy way of not worrying

1335
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:11,599
not really yourself thinking about these

1336
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:14,720
huge huge questions you kind of just

1337
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,000
almost like outsource it to

1338
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,240
you you get you let someone else do the

1339
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,319
thinking or the answering on these big

1340
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,240
questions you do it for you and the

1341
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,040
great bit for them is oh hey other

1342
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:29,440
people are in the same club so it must

1343
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,559
be an okay thing to do this is also okay

1344
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:34,880
to do folks going to take a brief break

1345
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:37,599
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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okay the world of simple answers i think

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that's part of also

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guys

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the reason we have a disclosure movement

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in the ufo field because we assume those

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who

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are into this that the government knows

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the answers

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the people in washington the people the

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pentagon wherever

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they know the answers we don't have to

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worry about that we just have to get

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them to tell us and if they tell us well

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we're basically seeding our

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responsibility to investigate to them

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and the other thing that always bothers

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me is whether that's always the case

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right now most investigations in ufos

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are just collecting case histories

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with other paranormal events too case

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histories assuming that there is some

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kind of answer already and all this

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evidence is being collected to validate

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what they believe not say okay let's

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figure out what's going on

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i mean mufon

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when does mufan actually sit down

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and look at the evidence to figure out

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what might be happening

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in fact when do they even talk to the

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witness about

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the witness's life

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about what's going on with the witness

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instead of focusing on the event

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yeah there's no there's not much point

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just them continually just

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non-stop forever just uh recording ufo

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sightings

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because

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the people in mufon and

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people who are aware of what mufon is

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like us

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kind of we're

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we don't need convincing that

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something's going on

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and

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i don't even need any government to

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say oh yes well you know it's kind of

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flying objects ufos are are real i do

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not need them to confirm it because i

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think from what i found out myself

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there's definitely something going on i

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would be interested if

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any part of a government or even some

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private body i would be very interested

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if they said well yes we've

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we've actually had some kind of

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communication with whatever intelligence

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might be behind it or

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yes we we do have a an idea of kind of

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what's going on but

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the disclosure thing

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allah kind of stephen bassett and stuff

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he seems to just be i want them to admit

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it it's real i want them to admit it's

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real well if they just said yes then

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what what would be his next question and

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and then

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if he got an answer to that question

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what what would come after that

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i don't really see

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i'm not entirely sure is is are people

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like stephen bassett are they wanting

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the government

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to admit the existence of ufos so that

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people who deny or do not believe are

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not interested so that they will

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be made to go oh it is true um because

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if like i i don't really want to rag on

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stephen bassett i'm just using him as an

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example just now but for instance

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he obviously doesn't need any

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confirmation i'm not entirely sure what

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it is he wants the government to

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disclose uh and i know we've talked

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about this a lot before it may be very

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fractured there may be very few people

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who

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have access to

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i think i think you've probably said it

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more chris actually just that

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there's a good chance that even those

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who supposedly would know the most

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are even more baffled than the rest of

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us because they don't have any

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definitive answers and they've maybe

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even

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been exposed to

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even stranger ideas or possibilities

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00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:04,319
that kind of don't add up it could just

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be one of these things it's like the end

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00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,559
the end of the day human beings will

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00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:11,200
never ever ever be able to picture

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00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:14,000
an object in their mind's eye in six

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00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:15,680
dimensions or something it's just it's

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00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:18,640
just impossible and maybe

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00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:20,839
maybe it's just one of those things

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00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,319
that we can never understand we can

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00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,119
never understand because

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00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:29,760
we're just not capable because it may it

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00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,480
may involve concepts that

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not only could we not wrap our heads

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around but we couldn't even have

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language to describe them

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i don't know if that's the case but it

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could be that weird and certainly with

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what i was saying earlier but i think a

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lot of paranormal phenomena ufos

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included may have

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the same kind of similar source on an

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origin

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what that is could be

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just as weird as thinking well what

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happened before the big bang you know

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00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:01,760
it's just almost impossible

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00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,720
and what here's a strange one what if

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00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,119
what if the phenomenon itself

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can't explain itself what if it doesn't

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know what's going on

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you know it's very interesting here

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00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,960
there's a movie coming out later this

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year which you might have heard of

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called the arrival

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as far as amy adams and jeremy renner

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00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,400
and other people very well know it's a

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super high budget movie but it's about

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12 spaceships

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that

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put themselves in a position around

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earth

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and

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they send amy adams to try to

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communicate with them

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00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:38,640
and the creatures are seven-legged

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00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:40,640
octopus-like creatures

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00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,440
and

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00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,440
apparently their language requires

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00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:44,960
rethinking

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00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:47,119
your approach to communication and what

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00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,720
you're trying to convey

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00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,799
it sounds like a real interesting mind

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00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:52,880
puzzle i haven't seen the movie i'm only

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00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,920
telling you about preliminary reviews

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01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:57,200
but here's something where they're

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01:00:01,349 --> 01:00:00,079
trying to look at contact with aliens as

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01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,359
something

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01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,160
not in our framework or

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01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:06,720
based on our motivations

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01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,680
but as something truly alien

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01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:12,240
that we have to strive to understand

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01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,760
because right now the our picture of

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01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:15,599
aliens is grace

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01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,480
or blond venusians or whatever

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01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:20,240
we look at them

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01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,280
as they are related to us well that's

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01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:25,760
the big ego thing here if they are from

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01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:28,720
other planets other star systems

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they had to have evolved as humans have

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and we can't think that we might just be

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a happy accident or unhappy accident

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01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:39,040
that other species might have gotten

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there first

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01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,359
and become advanced technologically and

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01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,760
we have to rethink everything just to

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01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:48,000
talk to them we can't just say hello we

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01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:49,839
have to think how they

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01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:52,000
would have to be communicated with so i

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01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:55,359
think those are great kind of ideas to

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01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:58,240
explore in sci-fi because

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01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,119
a lot of sci-fi is just rehashing what's

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01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:02,960
been done before well i suppose a lot of

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01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:07,200
movies are in all genres but um i i do

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01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:10,240
i do kind of relish the prospect of if

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it's if it's a very kind of um

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01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:15,680
high brow film that's

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01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,400
less about lasers and invasion and stuff

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01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:19,920
like that and

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01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:21,760
it's

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i often can't just i can't find the

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01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,599
words to maybe adequately convey

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01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:28,960
i mean i've been seeing i've been

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reading on

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01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,720
bbc news website about you know one of

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01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:34,799
those scientists

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01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:38,240
who thinks that or or knows that trees

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communicate to each other and are aware

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01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,839
of their offspring and can

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can aid that

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the offspring by the kind of almost

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01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,880
neutral network of roots and what have

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01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:52,400
you and

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01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,920
i suppose

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if you try to get an artificial

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01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,079
intelligence

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01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,240
computer stand alone one and you throw

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01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,400
it you drop it it's like a it's like a

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01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:04,240
macbook or something you drop it in a

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01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,520
forest

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01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:07,920
how can that computer

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01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:09,040
talk to

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01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,480
those trees

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01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:12,079
that's what i'm getting at as in it

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01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:13,839
could be i don't know about this amy

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01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,240
adams film but what if things are are

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01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:18,319
kind of that weird it's not even a

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01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:19,599
question of

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01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:22,799
can we speak some kind of vocalizations

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01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:25,520
that can be eventually translated or

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01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,920
whatever but what if it's just like you

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01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:29,839
know one on the one hand you've just got

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01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:32,480
pure biology and then yeah on the other

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01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:35,599
hand you've got kind of pure abstract

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01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:41,040
electronics and logic and there is no

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01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:44,240
interface between those two but they are

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01:02:49,030 --> 01:02:47,040
both functioning intelligences and

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01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,040
networks and

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01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:51,599
i suppose there is a lot of scope to

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01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:54,960
examine ideas like that and that maybe

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01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:57,920
haven't really been looked at too much

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01:03:04,630 --> 01:02:58,640
in

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01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:04,640
previous

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01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:07,599
kind of ufo aliens movie

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01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:08,799
that's

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01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:12,720
it's all about

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01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:15,680
just purely of the understanding um

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01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,480
of the other of the communication

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01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,880
um are there others i mean i'm sure

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01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,039
probably somebody did do a movie in the

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01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:25,760
50s or something that was

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01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:28,160
gene you're quite good with i'm thinking

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01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,240
in terms of the communication or

1644
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:32,480
interaction aspect and we have to break

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01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:35,200
in a second so i'll pick it up the movie

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01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:38,400
contact based on the carl sagan novel

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01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,400
and that was the one where jody foster

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01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,160
is the lead player and i'll get into

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that in a moment because we've got to

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with contact which i'm sure most of our

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listeners

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seen it watched on tv and the movies

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whatever

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01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,560
never read the book but this is the

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movie version

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where

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judy foster supposedly

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01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:37,279
travels

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to another star system with this

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inter-dimensional or space warp device

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but doesn't seem to move anywhere but

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01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:47,920
she experiences meeting somebody

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who looks like her dead father

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and

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that being tells her

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that he it whatever it is is coming to

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her

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in that form a form that she

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01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:04,719
could accept because you couldn't accept

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01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,839
its true form whatever it is

1778
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:10,319
and maybe as a corollary you couldn't

1779
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:12,880
even communicate with it

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but by it being able to manifest itself

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01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:18,239
in a way she could understand it can get

1782
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:21,600
its message across so

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that's conveying the alien nature

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of a being that we couldn't even

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interact with on their terms

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my favorite part of that movie is

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actually when that kind of alien answers

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01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,040
a question of jodie foster's and he kind

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of says well in that human form of a

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father well he says oh well we didn't

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build this network of traveling this

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transportation network to go from you

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know different star systems it was been

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here for a long time and i just love

1795
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:53,279
that idea that

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uh to to jody

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01:10:02,070 --> 01:09:59,920
that that alien seems so advanced to

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kind of send these radio signals with

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instructions

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in kind of 3d to

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build this machine to

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send her i just thought it was great to

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think that well she's thinking oh

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they've they're they're the smartest

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01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:14,960
they're the ones out there that know

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01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:18,159
what's going on but he then says well

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01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,520
somebody before long before us

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had already reached this kind of level

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and and it's nice to think that you know

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that we aren't the first and maybe there

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are things places people beings out

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there who

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have kind of

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done it evolved it

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and

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whatever long before we were even

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you know a single cell amoeba in the

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water or something it's um

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ah

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01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:50,719
that was that was my favorite part of uh

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01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,199
conduct i thought it was a really really

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01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:54,640
good movie

1823
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,520
yeah it's a very good book too um

1824
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,840
my favorite carl sagan book actually

1825
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:01,679
another one that i really liked was uh

1826
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,960
that that played around with the

1827
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interaction of

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01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,960
of um what appears to be an alien life

1829
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:09,280
form and the human unconscious was

1830
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:10,880
fantastic planet

1831
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:13,840
uh with the uh manifestation of the id

1832
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:16,239
uh that manifests as a

1833
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:22,070
i i always thought that was way ahead of

1834
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its time and and may actually have some

1835
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,080
some relevance

1836
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,000
one of the things that i've been

1837
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:31,840
diligently working on the past few

1838
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,400
months is a series of

1839
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i've done what about 30 hours of

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01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:38,800
of

1841
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:42,080
dialogue with david perkins um

1842
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,600
who's on my short list is one of the

1843
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brightest people that i know best writer

1844
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:47,600
i know definitely

1845
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:49,679
and we've been doing uh we've been we've

1846
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:52,800
been kicking around a lot of these ideas

1847
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,320
especially how they really as they

1848
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,840
relate to uh

1849
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:57,520
you know the only blood-based uh

1850
01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,719
mysterious phenomenon that um

1851
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:02,400
it's the red-haired stepchild of the

1852
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:05,520
paranormal the cattle mutilation mystery

1853
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:07,040
um of course

1854
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,760
our our dialogues branch off in all

1855
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,840
kinds of areas from quantum physics to

1856
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:13,199
uh religion

1857
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,400
uh to the nature of consciousness uh

1858
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,920
you know to the idea of the collective

1859
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:19,679
unconscious and spontaneous

1860
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:22,080
manifestations of angst that sort of

1861
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:23,679
thing within the culture

1862
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,320
some really amazing dialogues and what

1863
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,480
i've been toying around with the idea

1864
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:30,640
of going ahead

1865
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,840
and opening up the research

1866
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,679
part of this follow-up book that i'm

1867
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,640
doing um follow-up to stalking the herd

1868
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,480
and inviting

1869
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:42,800
anyone who's interested enough to get

1870
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:45,199
involved in some of the theorizing and

1871
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:47,840
to make available uh these dialogues and

1872
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:50,719
try to get you know some people thinking

1873
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:52,640
about about the

1874
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,310
the the seldom thought about angles that

1875
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:00,719
i i think are present within

1876
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:03,679
many of these subjects areas

1877
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:07,199
and see if we can get people to

1878
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:09,520
ponder some of these concepts and help

1879
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:10,800
us out

1880
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,880
and put it open for um

1881
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:14,640
you know for some group speak if you

1882
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,400
will because you know obviously more

1883
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:18,560
minds are better than one yeah and some

1884
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:22,159
people who maybe even have absolutely no

1885
01:13:27,390 --> 01:13:25,679
knowledge of these kind of topics and

1886
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:27,400
they can come in without any

1887
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,840
preconceptions any kind of persuasions

1888
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:32,400
or whatever and just maybe come out with

1889
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:34,400
really left field

1890
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,280
um

1891
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:37,760
kind of ideas and you know

1892
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,520
why not a think tank on these things and

1893
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:42,800
um

1894
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,719
so like a rand corporation for for the

1895
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:48,960
paranormal because

1896
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:51,920
i can imagine even that a lot of serious

1897
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:55,120
researchers or scientists or whatever

1898
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:57,760
quite often they probably know

1899
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,480
themselves that maybe sometimes you

1900
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,640
could bring a child in for something and

1901
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,719
they could just by accident almost come

1902
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,719
out with a crazy suggestion that

1903
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:08,560
actually has a kind of you know a kernel

1904
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:09,440
of

1905
01:14:16,270 --> 01:14:13,440
looking at things

1906
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,280
and i'm a firm believer that

1907
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,480
hallucinogenics are

1908
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:21,280
capable of generating these kind of

1909
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:22,880
original thoughts or

1910
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:26,080
thoughts that don't usually come from

1911
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,320
normal thought processes of when people

1912
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:30,480
are kind of straight

1913
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:31,600
and uh

1914
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:32,400
yeah

1915
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,960
no no two ways about that you know

1916
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:36,719
speaking of david perkins he just sent

1917
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:39,760
me an article that uh is very intriguing

1918
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:42,159
it's about a guy named jeremy england

1919
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:43,199
who

1920
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,320
may be doing a one-up on darwin

1921
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:48,400
basically his idea is this and under the

1922
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,480
right conditions a random group of atoms

1923
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:52,159
will self-organize

1924
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,040
unbidden to more effectively use energy

1925
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:56,880
and over time and with just the right

1926
01:15:02,070 --> 01:14:59,760
amount of sunlight or energy a cluster

1927
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:02,080
of atoms could come remarkably close to

1928
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:08,950
he's put out paper and it's now being

1929
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:12,080
peer reviewed and is being taken

1930
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:13,840
seriously

1931
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:16,560
well this whole idea of of life creating

1932
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:17,760
itself

1933
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:20,239
is not a new one but he's looking at it

1934
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:21,199
from a

1935
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,239
physics mathematical standpoint of

1936
01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:26,480
course lyle watson one of my favorite

1937
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,719
authors who just died

1938
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,320
he wrote a book called the secret life

1939
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:32,159
of inanimate objects which is one of my

1940
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:33,520
favorite books

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01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:36,960
it is case after case after case of of

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inanimate objects appearing to have a

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life of their own uh cars that start up

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and drive around and get chased by cops

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with nobody behind the wheel i mean

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there's all kinds of examples of

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well-documented accounts of

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machines and of uh supposedly inanimate

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objects reminds me of some of these

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movies where you see what is it a truck

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suddenly starts taking on a life of its

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own that's the picture of the ultimate

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horror film or maybe in this day and age

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it's the autonomous vehicle that we are

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really working on

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we're going to move along to our next

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segment i should tell you in case things

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get a little disjointed we're having a

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few problems with chris's connection

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we're having something called packet

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loss

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where like a momentary

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piece of dialogue

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disappears in the digital haze we've got

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a lot more to come with gene and chris

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and goggs

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and we are having a few skype connection

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problems that are irritating if nothing

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else with gina and chris you're in the

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witnesses to the rendelsome ufo incident

2086
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you're listening to the paracast the

2087
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,229
you know one idea occurred to me too

2088
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:22,320
i thought of this after what kevin

2089
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,239
randle has been doing lately

2090
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:25,920
where he's been looking at old cases

2091
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,239
re-examining the evidence and see how it

2092
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,960
holds up and he's got a book out called

2093
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,239
roswell

2094
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,480
for the 21st century

2095
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,199
another roswell book well sure but we're

2096
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:38,880
not going to talk about roswell today

2097
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:40,480
but just as the point

2098
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,560
of what he's trying to do which is let's

2099
01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:44,480
just take all the stuff

2100
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,640
reconsider it and see where it lies but

2101
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:48,560
i have the thought based on what you

2102
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:51,040
guys have been saying to go further

2103
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:52,239
present

2104
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:54,080
investigators whoever

2105
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,960
with

2106
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:56,800
all the information about the ufo

2107
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:59,360
mystery of lisa case histories to

2108
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:01,840
exhibit all the characteristics we know

2109
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:04,639
about about people's interactions but

2110
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:07,440
look at it as if it's a brand new thing

2111
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,400
there's been no history of ufo research

2112
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:12,000
no theorizing

2113
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:14,719
just being confronted with the entire

2114
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:17,280
mass of evidence anew we don't know

2115
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:18,639
what's happened

2116
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:21,840
it never happened before here it is

2117
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:24,000
forget about what anyone has said what

2118
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:26,239
anyone has written take a look at this

2119
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:29,280
and decide what conclusions you come to

2120
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:31,600
yeah but i think anyone who's like

2121
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:34,880
already been involved in it cannot help

2122
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:37,120
but be kind of uh

2123
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:38,400
they already have

2124
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,239
opinions and even if they're trying to

2125
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,040
look at it afresh they can't help but

2126
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:45,360
already have certain preconceptions or

2127
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:48,000
certain ideas so i think for this kind

2128
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,159
of idea to work you would take all this

2129
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,639
kind of evidence date or whatever but

2130
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:54,880
get people baby i don't know some kind

2131
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:58,159
of um reindeer herders from out of the

2132
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:01,040
way in siberia i mean literally people

2133
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:04,560
who have not been exposed to any of this

2134
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:08,159
and just take some intelligent ones or a

2135
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:11,440
cross-section of kind of people and let

2136
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:13,679
them look at it because i don't think

2137
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,000
there's much point in

2138
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,480
not to be down on kevin randall but

2139
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,880
anyone who's already looked at this

2140
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,639
stuff so many times

2141
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:25,199
i mean that i keep every now and then it

2142
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:27,199
seems every few months somebody's

2143
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:30,000
re-looking at roswell i i think we

2144
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:32,560
should just put it aside i don't think

2145
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:35,760
there's much new to learn about roswell

2146
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:38,560
and there are loads of other interesting

2147
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:41,760
cases that we could be looked at and

2148
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:44,400
roswell just gets way way too much

2149
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:47,199
coverage and and connect air time and if

2150
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:50,560
it happened it is an important event but

2151
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,360
it's

2152
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:53,520
quite a while ago and the people

2153
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:56,239
involved are pretty much all dead

2154
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:58,960
i just don't know what anyone else is

2155
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:00,880
going to be able to even come close to

2156
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:03,600
proving now that hasn't already been

2157
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:04,560
proved

2158
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:05,600
and

2159
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,960
let's let's look at some other

2160
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,639
interesting ones you know it's always

2161
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:11,600
the same cases they may have better luck

2162
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:14,480
by putting the same energy and effort

2163
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:18,000
into looking at cases that don't get the

2164
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:19,760
same coverage

2165
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:20,480
and

2166
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:22,960
as i'm saying try to get people involved

2167
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,920
who you may have to pay them per hour to

2168
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:27,840
do it because it's not their thing but

2169
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,120
really get fresh pairs of eyes on the

2170
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:33,199
subject that's the big thing right there

2171
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,239
gox they can't have the baggage

2172
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:38,719
of being an existing or former ufo

2173
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:40,560
investigator or even

2174
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:42,560
someone who has been a debunker someone

2175
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:45,199
who has been skeptical somebody

2176
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:48,000
scientists researchers who have not even

2177
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:49,840
considered it maybe they're vaguely

2178
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:52,239
aware of it by the nature of the fact

2179
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:54,400
that there's been publicity about it but

2180
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:56,159
forget everything they're not involved

2181
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:57,760
in the field they can't be involved in

2182
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:00,719
the field but they have to look at this

2183
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:03,040
as if it's brand new they never heard of

2184
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:04,320
it before

2185
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:06,400
and people who have no involvement

2186
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,840
whatever are the ideal people anyone

2187
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:12,159
like you or me or even chris we couldn't

2188
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:13,280
do it

2189
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:15,040
as much as we try

2190
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:17,120
but someone out there could

2191
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:18,960
my father would be a good person i've

2192
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:21,760
never heard him utter a single

2193
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:24,800
idea opinion whatever on the paranormal

2194
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:27,600
he's more interesting he's a journalist

2195
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:29,920
he's more interested in current affairs

2196
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:30,880
or

2197
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:35,440
definitely not in the slightest bit

2198
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:38,239
interested in the paranormal and ufos

2199
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,280
and that would be the correct

2200
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,360
qualifications for somebody to take a

2201
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,840
fresh look and just put these things for

2202
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:47,920
forum and just see what's such a

2203
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:50,080
person's idea like what would they kind

2204
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:52,080
of discard and say well that's obviously

2205
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:54,320
silly or yeah that kind of makes sense

2206
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:56,239
this goes with this and this and just

2207
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,239
like you know don't interfere with the

2208
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,880
process just let them go away look at

2209
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:02,560
all this and see what they come back

2210
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:03,440
with

2211
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:05,120
you know it may might

2212
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:07,120
be interesting just look like chris was

2213
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saying a little bit earlier on about

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getting these kind of totally new

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01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:14,880
generated ideas and it can't come from

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01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,760
us

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01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:17,440
the people in the field but there are

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people out there there are loads of

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people out there with the intelligence

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or

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common sense there are loads of people

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out there you would have to kind of

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obviously make it worth their while for

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them to bother doing something they're

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01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,320
not really interested in but it would be

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01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:36,960
interesting to see do they come up with

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01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:40,080
these same kind of thoughts that we do

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01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:41,199
do they

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01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:42,960
begin by

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01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:46,400
going for nuts and bolts you know eth do

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01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:48,960
they or do they kind of quickly discard

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01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:51,840
that or not even go that way because

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they are already initially

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01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:57,120
including all the kind of high strange

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aspects so to them they they wouldn't

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even go down certain paths that a lot of

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ufology has and understandably a lot of

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it historically i suppose a lot of

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people were never exposed to any of the

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high strain stuff so they could only

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01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:15,440
really think about yes it was beings

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01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:17,120
from mars or whatever and there's been a

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progression but now that there are these

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01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,440
ideas wide variety of ideas i for one

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01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:25,760
would be interested in seeing as what

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01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:28,880
totally new uninterested pair of

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01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:32,159
intelligent eyes would make of this you

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01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:35,120
never know it could be such a person who

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really hits on something that we haven't

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collectively thought of already just ask

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your

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intelligent 10 year old and they'll come

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01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:45,920
up with angles and questions and

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01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:48,560
observations that probably two

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01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:50,719
generations of researchers have not even

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01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:53,360
thought of often kids really have a

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laser-like ability to cut right to the

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to the heart of a matter you know you're

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talking about cases that deserve

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attention

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01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:02,320
the one case

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01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:05,600
that totally blows my mind that nobody

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01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:07,600
is is interested in

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01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:08,719
nobody

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01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:11,760
occurred january 12 1994

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01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:14,560
norad the north american

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01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:15,920
space command

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01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:17,760
called up the rio grande county sheriff

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01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:20,800
and said our dsp spy satellite has

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01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,159
detected a few acre sized heat bloom

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01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:26,800
at such and such coordinates in your

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01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:30,239
county exhaust all efforts to determine

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01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,760
what it is

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01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:33,360
now the coordinates that they were given

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01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:36,080
was right smack on the north

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01:28:41,830 --> 01:28:38,400
by northwestern side of greeny mountain

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01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:41,840
which is south of monte vista colorado

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01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:44,159
so they sent the sheriff

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01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:46,000
hauled ass up there they sent search and

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01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,560
rescue people they sent planes and as

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01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:50,639
they were approaching the site norad

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01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:52,000
called back and said well we got the

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01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:54,880
coordinates wrong it's 20 miles

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01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,239
west of you so they did a right-hand

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01:29:02,229 --> 01:29:00,719
turn and headed west to the area and in

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01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:02,239
the meantime

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01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:04,480
convoys of military vehicles and

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01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:06,239
temporary fencing were put up in the

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01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:09,040
original coordinates area

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01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:11,280
and uh army personnel was in a remote

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01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:12,719
area my dad

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01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:14,560
so it was kind of like deliberate

2293
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:17,040
misdirection for they did want them to

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01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:20,080
investigate it and then they maybe norad

2295
01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:22,800
suddenly worked out what was going on

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01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:24,159
thought right we don't want them

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01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,719
anywhere near it we'll lie to them say

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01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:28,080
exactly

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01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,880
yeah

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01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:30,320
and so

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they went down of course and didn't find

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anything in the uh you know the the spot

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01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:38,239
the new coordinates uh area well in the

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01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:39,760
meantime

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01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:42,800
a a retired pilot

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01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:44,560
strategic air commando lieutenant

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01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:45,520
colonel

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01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:47,199
was driving home

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01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:49,600
and witnessed what he claimed was a

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battalion

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01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:53,840
of battleship sized green glowing

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objects that went down

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into the area

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01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:01,199
where the supposed original event

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happened and he was an absolute ufo

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skeptic he

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he never believed in any of it he had

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never seen anything but this totally

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blew his mind to the degree that he

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rushed home

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01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,560
took out a map and plotted the course of

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where these objects appeared to be going

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down and of course

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they were going down right in the area

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where uh the original norad coordinates

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were located

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so much for the ministry of misdirection

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and you are listening to the paracast

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let's pick up on that story from chris

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01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,199
about

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01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:27,600
misdirection go ahead please yeah the

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01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:31,520
norad event january 12 1994 so

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a retired fighter pilot who's flown

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everything that we got bombers jet

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fighters was 35-year air force colonel

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01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:41,760
retired full honors

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he came forward publicly and

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talked even on tv about his sighting

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01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:49,679
what's really interesting is the

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01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:52,239
entire two week period before this

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01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:54,480
i had seven bigfoot sightings i had

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01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:56,800
incredible ufo activity all around that

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01:36:00,149 --> 01:35:57,760
area

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01:36:01,189 --> 01:36:00,159
south of there slightly south slightly

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01:36:02,950 --> 01:36:01,199
uh

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east of there

2456
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:05,280
uh during the same day there was reports

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from

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about 30 miles away out into the valley

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of orange lights that were seen over the

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town of kaplan

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and then

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to make matters even more intriguing

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doing follow-up calls to find out who

2464
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:21,679
the personnel

2465
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,560
were that actually called norad

2466
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:26,800
i find out that there was one possibly

2467
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two suspicious suicides

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um at fort at

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cheyenne mountain with the norad

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01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:35,920
personnel one was a

2471
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a captain i believe if i remember

2472
01:36:41,510 --> 01:36:39,280
correctly an air force captain she was

2473
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:41,520
uh pregnant uh third trimester of

2474
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:43,840
pregnancy happened to be on duty

2475
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:45,600
um she

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01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:48,400
i think uh put a hose in her exhaust

2477
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,119
pipe and a very strange suspicious death

2478
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:52,960
and then there was rumors of a second

2479
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:55,360
death of people that were on duty

2480
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:57,199
when the phone call was made i mean

2481
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:59,040
we're talking about a really intriguing

2482
01:37:02,629 --> 01:37:01,119
case here and whenever you see people

2483
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,639
touting cases

2484
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:04,400
you never hear about the norad event

2485
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:05,600
which i think is one of the most

2486
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:08,480
important uh ufo sighted events ever

2487
01:37:13,189 --> 01:37:10,880
well i've never heard about it i would

2488
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:13,199
love to know about cases like this and

2489
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:15,840
can i just ask you quickly did did this

2490
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:18,560
that was ron regair and did he

2491
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:20,320
lead you to that that's how i met ron

2492
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:21,440
mcgare

2493
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:22,960
yeah

2494
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:24,639
one that came forward and confirmed the

2495
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,960
dsp satellite data

2496
01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:29,199
this is this is really really really

2497
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:30,480
good stuff

2498
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:33,600
so i've never even read a hint of this

2499
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:35,760
and i consider that i've read a fair

2500
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:43,189
it's in the mysterious valley at the

2501
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:44,880
very end of the mysterious valley and

2502
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:46,560
it's also in secrets of the mysterious

2503
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:48,080
valley which is the cherry picking of my

2504
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:53,270
so who else knows who else knows about

2505
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:54,320
this

2506
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:55,360
um

2507
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:58,719
but you know again we have a flurry of

2508
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:00,880
what appears to be unrelated

2509
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:03,440
activity including you know seven

2510
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:05,920
bigfoot sightings in an eight day period

2511
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:07,679
uh which happened that first week of

2512
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,080
january and then the next week we have

2513
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:12,320
the norad event i mean

2514
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:15,119
you know everybody keeps beating roswell

2515
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:16,960
over the head roswell for the 21st

2516
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:20,320
century roswell this roswell that well

2517
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:22,320
there are some really good cases out

2518
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:23,760
there and

2519
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:26,320
unfortunately because you know i don't

2520
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:28,400
go around creating cults of personality

2521
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:30,560
and touting these cases because you know

2522
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,400
my i pay my bills by them and my life

2523
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:34,880
depends on it uh these cases just get

2524
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,119
ignored yeah and could i compare to

2525
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:39,360
roswell the good thing about a case like

2526
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:41,600
this is obviously

2527
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:43,440
most of the witnesses would still be

2528
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:46,159
alive two that are dead

2529
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:47,840
well yeah yeah

2530
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:51,600
but uh yeah and wow i wonder i mean this

2531
01:38:57,590 --> 01:38:55,040
this area that was cordoned off i wonder

2532
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:57,600
if anything one would see if you were to

2533
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,639
go and

2534
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:00,480
look at it now or it may have just been

2535
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:03,440
a transitory thing but this kind of like

2536
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:06,080
large heat signature of

2537
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:07,600
acreage

2538
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:11,040
this all originated from the

2539
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:13,119
so are we saying of what what's the uh

2540
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:15,199
the body that does the um

2541
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:18,480
the spy satellites they forget the name

2542
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:21,440
well it's the nro but it it was the uh

2543
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:23,199
it was norad

2544
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:24,480
space command

2545
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:25,199
that

2546
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:26,560
is actually doing the real-time

2547
01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:29,520
monitoring of our dsp at least our dsp

2548
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:32,320
system i'm not privy to all that they do

2549
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:35,679
but in the case of dsp which is

2550
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:37,760
tasked to find to to look for heat

2551
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:39,520
blooms basically for

2552
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:42,000
for uh russian or chinese missile

2553
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:45,520
launches at the time in 94 of course um

2554
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:47,360
the cold war had

2555
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:50,159
gone you know almost by the wayside this

2556
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:51,360
was right

2557
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:53,360
you know just uh four years after the

2558
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:56,080
breakup of the of the soviet union

2559
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:58,880
but dsp is still up there and uh and

2560
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:00,239
it's quite a number of of these

2561
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:03,199
satellites are routinely monitoring

2562
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:05,520
uh the planet for uh missile launches

2563
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:06,719
and when they're on the back side of

2564
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,840
their orbit they look for forest fires

2565
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:11,360
for uh you know

2566
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:13,520
propane tank explosions that sort of

2567
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:15,760
thing so that they can warn

2568
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:18,480
local officials uh that they've detected

2569
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:19,360
something

2570
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,119
well ron mcgare said there's no question

2571
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:23,600
that they detected this this event

2572
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:25,600
and it alarmed them

2573
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,679
so much that they actually contacted the

2574
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:29,199
rio grande county sheriff's office in

2575
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:31,920
search and rescue and and put in the the

2576
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:34,159
command not request to exhaust all

2577
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:36,239
efforts to find the source of this heat

2578
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:37,920
bloom well you have people coming

2579
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:40,880
forward you know in the ensuing next few

2580
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,440
days saying well this is what we saw

2581
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:45,679
going down over there and so was it a

2582
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:48,239
recovery of some kind uh

2583
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,960
was there a crash there uh you know

2584
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:53,360
there's some some people have theorized

2585
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,159
that perhaps it was a a missile launch

2586
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:58,560
from uh south of green river utah that

2587
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:00,719
they fire these missiles uh to white

2588
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:03,520
sands or from white sands to this uh

2589
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:05,840
this uh restricted airspace area south

2590
01:41:12,390 --> 01:41:06,960
of

2591
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:12,400
way across uh utah

2592
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:15,520
and maybe one of these uh missiles uh

2593
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:18,239
accidentally went down there but it

2594
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:20,080
doesn't sound like it because you have a

2595
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:22,239
you know a really

2596
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,239
you know highly trained

2597
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:26,400
lieutenant colonel and strategic air

2598
01:41:31,350 --> 01:41:28,960
command pilot saying they saw

2599
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:31,360
a battalion of battleship size glowing

2600
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:33,119
green objects that doesn't sound like a

2601
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:35,199
wayward missile to me it sounds like

2602
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:37,440
independence day

2603
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:40,560
yeah kinda you know in and i

2604
01:41:46,310 --> 01:41:43,600
i could go through and and pull out

2605
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:46,320
you know case after case after case from

2606
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:49,199
my work for man's work from stan's work

2607
01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:51,119
from from these people that are

2608
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:54,480
monitoring specific geographic areas

2609
01:41:57,990 --> 01:41:56,239
and uh you know with a with a wet

2610
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,000
blanket and just you know

2611
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:00,800
covering every square inch and have you

2612
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:03,520
know a really good working network of of

2613
01:42:07,750 --> 01:42:04,960
law enforcement

2614
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:07,760
sources locals

2615
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:10,639
trained ex-military folks

2616
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:14,000
and i think the whole approach of this

2617
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:16,080
looking backward

2618
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:19,360
constantly at at buzzword cases is

2619
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:20,639
really

2620
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,719
i think it's a red herring i think we're

2621
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,719
being mesmerized into doing this to keep

2622
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,960
us from looking at the good stuff

2623
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:28,800
definitely definitely and that that's

2624
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:30,320
kind of what i was touching on earlier

2625
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:33,040
on i i kind of i'm very suspicious of

2626
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:35,920
like grier and bassett i i actually

2627
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:38,159
think that they

2628
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:40,960
could be you know be be put in this

2629
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:43,920
position and given this kind of

2630
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:47,119
almost like well air time or news time

2631
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:50,159
or whatever that they do get to keep us

2632
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:52,400
looking in that direction and here's

2633
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:54,880
another kind of well semi-current thing

2634
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,719
that i think was really interesting if

2635
01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:58,560
anyone's ever watched any of ted

2636
01:43:03,030 --> 01:42:59,840
phillips's

2637
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:03,040
uh lectures and uh obviously he's the

2638
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:05,679
guy who specializes in landing trace

2639
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:06,719
cases

2640
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:09,199
but he has this amazing story going back

2641
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:11,040
to world war ii

2642
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,000
of this cave in czechoslovakia

2643
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:17,040
and uh i like a a wounded soldier or

2644
01:43:22,830 --> 01:43:19,679
something had to take refuge there

2645
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:22,840
and he he kind of found

2646
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:25,760
uh going deeper into this cave that's

2647
01:43:29,830 --> 01:43:27,600
how the the entrance of this cave is

2648
01:43:31,830 --> 01:43:29,840
high up in a mountain and when he went

2649
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:31,840
deeper into this cave he found this

2650
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:33,280
enormous

2651
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:35,199
kind of shiny

2652
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,880
hard black

2653
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:38,719
metal kind of wall

2654
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:40,880
that was vibrating and humming like

2655
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:43,920
there was some kind of machinery and it

2656
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:46,400
was obvious that it was he was just

2657
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:47,520
seeing

2658
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:48,480
part

2659
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:52,080
of a much greater larger object it was

2660
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:55,280
definitely not rock mountain whatever

2661
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:57,840
that had been there millions of years

2662
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,400
yes and because there was like something

2663
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:02,880
about some old bare bones or something

2664
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:05,199
that hadn't that been extinct for a long

2665
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:09,360
time and there was also a a kind of

2666
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:10,480
local

2667
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:13,760
uh lower story about something landing

2668
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:15,520
in the mountain or whatever a few

2669
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:18,480
hundred years back and anyway so ted

2670
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:21,600
phillips came into possession of this

2671
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:23,840
like kind of original map and i'm i

2672
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:26,000
think he probably wisely has

2673
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:28,400
kept some of it kind of to himself but

2674
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:30,880
he he talks about going back and trying

2675
01:44:35,830 --> 01:44:32,480
to find this

2676
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:35,840
and you know this is like right now real

2677
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:38,239
even better than indiana jones kind of

2678
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:39,760
stuff in a way

2679
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:41,679
and

2680
01:44:45,910 --> 01:44:44,320
yeah you know i wish i really wish i

2681
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:45,920
could i really wish i could swear here

2682
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:46,719
but

2683
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:48,560
forget roswell

2684
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:53,600
things there are loads and i often bring

2685
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:54,400
up

2686
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:55,280
quite

2687
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:58,400
an interesting case that that um

2688
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:59,600
that uh

2689
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:01,119
god my mind's not working tonight but

2690
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:03,760
there but uh nick

2691
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:06,480
from the mod the british guy why have i

2692
01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:09,440
forgotten his name nick nick nick

2693
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:10,719
pope

2694
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,119
you have nick yeah let me just say

2695
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:15,360
something we have to break

2696
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,199
fascinating about nick pope we had him

2697
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:19,440
on after the power cast episodes a few

2698
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:21,040
weeks back

2699
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:24,960
and boy were people down on him

2700
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:25,920
oh well

2701
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:28,480
we've got gogs makai gene steinberg

2702
01:45:44,510 --> 01:45:43,270
thank you for listening to gcn

2703
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:44,520
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2704
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:47,360
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2705
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2707
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:53,360
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2708
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:54,719
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2709
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:56,639
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2710
01:46:01,669 --> 01:45:59,119
officer is haunted by intense dreams

2711
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:01,679
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

2712
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:04,080
help after a terrible battle in outer

2713
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:05,119
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2714
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:07,280
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2715
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:09,280
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2716
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:12,000
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2717
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:14,400
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2725
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2760
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:07,610
and now here's jane steinberg

2761
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:12,790
okay guys

2762
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:15,280
final four segments of the power cast

2763
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:17,360
where we had hoped to have

2764
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:20,239
a great conversation with james carry on

2765
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:23,520
about the office of strategic deception

2766
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:25,600
and that kind gets a thought in my mind

2767
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:27,520
we'll go into that in a moment but he

2768
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:29,679
had to beg off he'll come back

2769
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:32,000
we'll probably have him on in october

2770
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:33,520
we'll give him one more chance to see

2771
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:34,719
what happens

2772
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:36,880
so we're talking shop with goggs makai

2773
01:48:41,830 --> 01:48:39,360
and gene steinberg and chris o'brien but

2774
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:41,840
you wonder you can take this anyone

2775
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:43,920
whether all the attention focused on

2776
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:46,000
things like roswell were all being

2777
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:47,760
directed there let's look at this old

2778
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:48,800
case

2779
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,800
from 70 years ago or 69 years ago now

2780
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:54,719
and not think about what else might be

2781
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:57,840
happening it's the magician's trick

2782
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:59,199
misdirection

2783
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:01,040
and that's why we are so focused on

2784
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:03,040
these age-old cases

2785
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,639
and we don't pay attention to more

2786
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:06,480
recent stuff where we could really get

2787
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:08,800
some new information i'll just say this

2788
01:49:15,669 --> 01:49:12,480
one sentence anything any case that more

2789
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,679
than one president happily mentions

2790
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:17,760
obviously really isn't worth looking at

2791
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,920
now because they wouldn't be bringing

2792
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:22,239
drawing attention to it so you know the

2793
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:25,280
fact that president obama's made jokes

2794
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:28,239
about roswell we've got hillary clinton

2795
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:32,480
maybe a president coming um bill clinton

2796
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:35,679
forget roswell forget roswell

2797
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:37,360
what i was going to say was just when i

2798
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:39,360
couldn't remember nick pope but that

2799
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:41,440
case that he was on about the

2800
01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:43,119
shaped ufo

2801
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:45,360
and over perth center in scotland seen

2802
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:47,840
by a couple of hill walkers with a

2803
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:49,679
harrier jump jet

2804
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,400
hovering face off for this thing and

2805
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:54,159
photos were taken

2806
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,239
of which a copy of or a photocopy that

2807
01:50:01,910 --> 01:50:00,719
nick pope had himself

2808
01:50:03,669 --> 01:50:01,920
and that

2809
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:03,679
photocopy that was up in his wall

2810
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:06,159
mysteriously disappeared now i find that

2811
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:08,320
quite intriguing i don't often hear

2812
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:11,440
about solid diamond-shaped ufos

2813
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:13,920
um over you know the hills in scotland

2814
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:17,119
with a uh a jump jet a vertical takeoff

2815
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:19,360
and landing jet uh

2816
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:21,440
facing off to it

2817
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:22,320
and

2818
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:23,199
you know

2819
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,119
this this happened not that long ago

2820
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,199
that was in the 90s

2821
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:29,520
forget roswell i'm going to shut up and

2822
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:32,480
just say forget roswell well kevin

2823
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:34,159
randall hopes you don't he's got a new

2824
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:36,320
book out about roswell

2825
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:38,800
but the rest of us will forget the r

2826
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:40,080
word

2827
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:43,040
yeah here's another example of mufon

2828
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:44,639
just not being able to see the forest

2829
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:46,000
for the trees

2830
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:47,760
uh former

2831
01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:50,000
johnson space center

2832
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:52,239
nasa employee john schussler who we

2833
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:54,320
talked about briefly earlier

2834
01:50:57,669 --> 01:50:56,480
early fan of my work

2835
01:50:59,590 --> 01:50:57,679
was also

2836
01:51:01,750 --> 01:50:59,600
the first director to take over after

2837
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,760
walt andrus retired and moved the

2838
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:03,760
operation to denver

2839
01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:06,639
he has recently released a list of the

2840
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:09,600
top that's at the top 100 list of ufo

2841
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:10,639
books

2842
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:14,080
and uh he's he's put his 85 in there and

2843
01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:15,440
then

2844
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:18,960
left 15 slots open for for suggestions

2845
01:51:27,030 --> 01:51:25,350
points out some some some pretty

2846
01:51:28,229 --> 01:51:27,040
interesting things that a lot of the

2847
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,239
books are from

2848
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,800
known hoaxing contactees like adamski

2849
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:32,639
daniel fry

2850
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:35,040
one is by carlos allende the

2851
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:37,040
philadelphia experiment which

2852
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:39,040
you know very very questionable material

2853
01:51:43,589 --> 01:51:40,239
there's uh

2854
01:51:45,589 --> 01:51:43,599
two listings of one book uh which i'm

2855
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:45,599
not sure what it is paul kimball caught

2856
01:51:49,589 --> 01:51:46,639
that one

2857
01:51:53,669 --> 01:51:49,599
uh it just shows you how mired in

2858
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:53,679
fantasy uh an organization like uh mufon

2859
01:51:59,589 --> 01:51:56,639
apparently not uh one book by randall in

2860
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:59,599
there or stanton friedman uh god forbid

2861
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:01,199
he should add the mysterious valley in

2862
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:03,520
there which i i consider one of the the

2863
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:05,920
top ufo books

2864
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:07,760
not because i wrote it but because it's

2865
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:08,800
filled

2866
01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:12,800
investigated you know case after case

2867
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:16,320
after case that was investigated on the

2868
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,159
ground all coming from a single

2869
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:20,480
geographic region i don't see anything

2870
01:52:24,390 --> 01:52:22,239
from stan gordon in there anything from

2871
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:24,400
and druffle it just gives you an

2872
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:26,000
indication of how

2873
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:29,199
calcified and how my past and

2874
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,719
these big ufo groups and the media and

2875
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:35,040
the propaganda

2876
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:38,000
the feet uh are sunk in concrete and

2877
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:39,360
they can't move

2878
01:52:42,629 --> 01:52:41,840
and it's really really unfortunate that

2879
01:52:49,910 --> 01:52:42,639
uh

2880
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:49,920
late 20s that are coming up and and

2881
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:50,880
really

2882
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:53,119
knuckling under and doing the uh the

2883
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:54,880
hard heavy lifting and doing the hard

2884
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:56,239
work

2885
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:58,639
you know i i really see this field

2886
01:53:06,390 --> 01:52:59,920
uh

2887
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:06,400
belief

2888
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:07,280
and

2889
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:10,239
it will never be taken seriously by

2890
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:12,880
mainstream academia and science or

2891
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:14,880
the mainstream public for that matter

2892
01:53:20,629 --> 01:53:18,320
uh just tim russert the way he uh

2893
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:20,639
you know just ruined dennis kucinich's

2894
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:23,199
chance to to be a viable candidate uh

2895
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:24,239
during the

2896
01:53:30,149 --> 01:53:27,840
debates in uh 2008 when he

2897
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:30,159
he asked him if he'd ever seen a ufo

2898
01:53:34,390 --> 01:53:31,199
before

2899
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:34,400
uh just that kind of

2900
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:35,679
of uh

2901
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:38,639
question can can sink a politician and

2902
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:39,440
we

2903
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:41,840
think hillary hillary hasn't been sunk

2904
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,760
by it she well we're creating a little

2905
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:45,679
bit of change you know sure we're seeing

2906
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:47,360
a little bit of change but it's not

2907
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:49,280
because of our ufo beliefs it's because

2908
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:51,440
of other factors

2909
01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:54,239
yeah well that's true but also uh the

2910
01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:56,159
the wonderful calling that billy cox

2911
01:53:59,270 --> 01:53:58,320
used to write for the uh

2912
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,280
um

2913
01:54:03,430 --> 01:54:01,280
the harold champion

2914
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:03,440
d void he's he now cannot write it

2915
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:05,280
anymore he's he's been moved to another

2916
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:07,199
job so one of the few mainstream

2917
01:54:12,149 --> 01:54:09,760
journalists at a mainstream newspaper

2918
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:12,159
who who tweeted this subject with with

2919
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:14,239
the amount of respect it's due

2920
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:17,520
uh is now uh off off the uh off the beat

2921
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:19,520
and he's not releasing any more of his

2922
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:20,320
uh

2923
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:24,080
devoid blog posts anymore so you know

2924
01:54:26,470 --> 01:54:25,040
unless

2925
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:26,480
we

2926
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:28,320
really concentrate on moving the field

2927
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:30,960
forward coming up with viable

2928
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:32,320
a viable

2929
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:35,040
methodology to move the field forward

2930
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:36,800
as soon as all the people in my

2931
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:39,599
generation and gene's generation pass on

2932
01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:47,510
happy birthday to you

2933
01:54:51,430 --> 01:54:48,840
you're a little bit

2934
01:54:52,550 --> 01:54:51,440
late i didn't realize until i had my

2935
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:52,560
birthday

2936
01:54:56,229 --> 01:54:54,480
that one of our

2937
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:56,239
listeners who was a guest on a recent

2938
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:58,320
listeners roundtable sue

2939
01:55:02,830 --> 01:55:00,719
shares a birthday with me

2940
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:02,840
i'm sure she's much much

2941
01:55:08,149 --> 01:55:05,440
younger but september knife has some

2942
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,159
significance somewhere in the ether

2943
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:10,800
or maybe i need some ether

2944
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:14,080
it was the 9th of september

2945
01:55:23,510 --> 01:55:20,310
i could put a line in there because i am

2946
01:55:27,430 --> 01:55:23,520
the 29th of september

2947
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:27,440
but you're in another astrological sign

2948
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,000
libra

2949
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:33,199
okay so the birthday is shared with

2950
01:55:39,109 --> 01:55:37,599
adam sandler i feel embarrassed already

2951
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:39,119
and most of these people people i never

2952
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:40,960
heard of before is a basketball player

2953
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:43,440
named j.r smith

2954
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:45,520
never heard of him at all i don't know

2955
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:48,800
anything about basketball hugh grant

2956
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:50,400
september 9th

2957
01:55:56,790 --> 01:55:53,920
movie actress michelle williams

2958
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:56,800
doesn't look like many famous people

2959
01:56:02,070 --> 01:55:59,520
unfortunately september 9th

2960
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:02,080
oh well hey i've got a i've got a great

2961
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:05,360
uh you know how sometimes um

2962
01:56:12,470 --> 01:56:09,760
people's intuition about uh probability

2963
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:12,480
can often be very off

2964
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:14,880
and there's i read something i might not

2965
01:56:20,709 --> 01:56:17,599
have this exactly but

2966
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:20,719
uh being that there could be 365

2967
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:22,239
birthdays

2968
01:56:28,550 --> 01:56:25,040
how many people do you think would have

2969
01:56:30,390 --> 01:56:28,560
to be maybe at a party or something with

2970
01:56:32,950 --> 01:56:30,400
you how many diff

2971
01:56:34,629 --> 01:56:32,960
how many other people would there have

2972
01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:34,639
to be in a room

2973
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:36,880
for there to be an even chance that one

2974
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:38,880
of them shares a birthday with you what

2975
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:40,880
do you think how many people that would

2976
01:56:45,270 --> 01:56:43,760
need to be for there to be a 50 50 that

2977
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:45,280
one of those people has shares of

2978
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:47,040
birthday with you

2979
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:49,679
any ideas any guesses well you know i

2980
01:56:54,870 --> 01:56:52,159
found some more names by the way

2981
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:54,880
colonel sanders

2982
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:57,040
all right of course he's dead

2983
01:57:00,950 --> 01:57:00,159
september 9th colonel sanders

2984
01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:00,960
so

2985
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:02,639
i always thought you're a little crispy

2986
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,320
chicken

2987
01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:06,239
leo tolstoy

2988
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:09,040
rachel hunter

2989
01:57:13,030 --> 01:57:10,639
all right

2990
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:13,040
alf landon i mean people i mean a lot of

2991
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:15,040
these people are dead

2992
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:17,119
cliff robertson

2993
01:57:21,669 --> 01:57:20,000
really great actor

2994
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:21,679
but like i said most of these people are

2995
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:23,280
dead so it doesn't really make me feel

2996
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:24,719
very good

2997
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:27,040
so if that's how it goes

2998
01:57:30,149 --> 01:57:28,880
we're talking about september 9th no

2999
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:30,159
we're not

3000
01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:31,760
we're just taking a brief break for

3001
01:57:35,669 --> 01:57:33,199
something or other

3002
01:57:41,380 --> 01:57:35,679
with gene and chris and goggs you're in

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we're finished with the birthdays

3113
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:15,280
we're finished with synchronicity no

3114
02:02:21,189 --> 02:02:16,800
don't want to push that

3115
02:02:23,510 --> 02:02:21,199
so chris o'brien do you think

3116
02:02:25,430 --> 02:02:23,520
maybe we should take ufology rip it

3117
02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:25,440
apart throw it away

3118
02:02:30,470 --> 02:02:27,679
and find something new

3119
02:02:32,550 --> 02:02:30,480
yeah i do and i think greg bishop

3120
02:02:33,350 --> 02:02:32,560
discussed this on one of his appearances

3121
02:02:34,870 --> 02:02:33,360
sure

3122
02:02:36,870 --> 02:02:34,880
you know just tearing it down and

3123
02:02:38,550 --> 02:02:36,880
starting from scratch

3124
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:38,560
well that goes to what i was suggesting

3125
02:02:42,470 --> 02:02:39,920
before where you give people the

3126
02:02:44,390 --> 02:02:42,480
opportunity to look at all the evidence

3127
02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:44,400
without any baggage

3128
02:02:50,149 --> 02:02:47,440
as if you've never existed major donald

3129
02:02:52,390 --> 02:02:50,159
kehoe did not say we need disclosure and

3130
02:02:53,510 --> 02:02:52,400
have that repeated for the following 60

3131
02:02:55,589 --> 02:02:53,520
years

3132
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:55,599
now that happened

3133
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:58,480
and maybe that would have happened if

3134
02:03:02,870 --> 02:03:00,719
kenneth arnold siding

3135
02:03:05,270 --> 02:03:02,880
had not gotten coverage

3136
02:03:06,950 --> 02:03:05,280
imagine kenneth arnold

3137
02:03:08,870 --> 02:03:06,960
had his attention diverted somewhere

3138
02:03:12,070 --> 02:03:08,880
else when those things whatever they

3139
02:03:13,589 --> 02:03:12,080
were those nine objects were up there

3140
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:13,599
what if kenneth arnold's sighting hadn't

3141
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:14,800
been covered

3142
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:16,719
what would have happened

3143
02:03:19,030 --> 02:03:17,840
well

3144
02:03:21,830 --> 02:03:19,040
good point

3145
02:03:23,830 --> 02:03:21,840
hey you know who was born on my birthday

3146
02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:23,840
what day is steve mcqueen

3147
02:03:30,550 --> 02:03:26,880
okay tommy hilfiger

3148
02:03:32,229 --> 02:03:30,560
woo jim parsons from big bang theory

3149
02:03:34,310 --> 02:03:32,239
peyton manning

3150
02:03:37,109 --> 02:03:34,320
oh let's see

3151
02:03:38,870 --> 02:03:37,119
anybody else you might recognize

3152
02:03:41,430 --> 02:03:38,880
that's about it

3153
02:03:42,790 --> 02:03:41,440
of famous people louis anderson

3154
02:03:44,629 --> 02:03:42,800
there we go

3155
02:03:47,189 --> 02:03:44,639
well i always remember being a bit

3156
02:03:48,070 --> 02:03:47,199
younger where you may be reading some

3157
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:48,080
kind of

3158
02:03:52,229 --> 02:03:49,679
magazine or comic or something and it

3159
02:03:54,070 --> 02:03:52,239
may mention well goggs was talking i i

3160
02:03:55,669 --> 02:03:54,080
just mentioned harry houdini was born on

3161
02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:55,679
my birthday

3162
02:03:59,270 --> 02:03:57,520
that's cool

3163
02:04:02,070 --> 02:03:59,280
do something worthwhile all i was going

3164
02:04:04,709 --> 02:04:02,080
to say is i i've never really found uh

3165
02:04:07,510 --> 02:04:04,719
found out any any other interesting

3166
02:04:11,189 --> 02:04:07,520
people that shared my birthday uh the

3167
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:11,199
ones i did know about were like you know

3168
02:04:15,189 --> 02:04:13,520
terrible pop stars and

3169
02:04:18,470 --> 02:04:15,199
from the uk or whatever i don't know

3170
02:04:20,390 --> 02:04:18,480
what it is about my birthday and

3171
02:04:22,550 --> 02:04:20,400
um

3172
02:04:23,910 --> 02:04:22,560
if you're on the site put in 29th

3173
02:04:25,910 --> 02:04:23,920
september see if there's anything

3174
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:25,920
interesting there gene or chris or

3175
02:04:32,790 --> 02:04:27,599
whoever was looking

3176
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:35,669
chris has the noisy keyboard you notice

3177
02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:38,639
okay september 29th

3178
02:04:42,629 --> 02:04:40,960
greer garson

3179
02:04:44,470 --> 02:04:42,639
famous actress

3180
02:04:45,990 --> 02:04:44,480
jerry lee lewis

3181
02:04:51,750 --> 02:04:46,000
oh yeah

3182
02:04:53,589 --> 02:04:51,760
all right rick falls of fire the killer

3183
02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:53,599
andrew dice clay

3184
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:56,560
your kid you know him who's that

3185
02:05:00,149 --> 02:04:58,480
he's a comedian here in the united

3186
02:05:02,790 --> 02:05:00,159
states

3187
02:05:04,870 --> 02:05:02,800
people the bass player from primus

3188
02:05:07,589 --> 02:05:04,880
okay gene artery

3189
02:05:09,589 --> 02:05:07,599
yeah the cowboy guy

3190
02:05:10,709 --> 02:05:09,599
gene archery was one of the richest

3191
02:05:12,550 --> 02:05:10,719
people

3192
02:05:14,629 --> 02:05:12,560
in shows

3193
02:05:16,790 --> 02:05:14,639
yeah but he also made a huge amount of

3194
02:05:18,709 --> 02:05:16,800
money i think he owned the california

3195
02:05:20,950 --> 02:05:18,719
angels right

3196
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trevor howard

3197
02:05:24,470 --> 02:05:22,080
charlie welcome

3198
02:05:26,870 --> 02:05:24,480
to scott ian mcshane

3199
02:05:32,550 --> 02:05:28,950
ah you ready for this

3200
02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:32,560
i thought it was stanley kramer

3201
02:05:36,390 --> 02:05:34,960
september 29th

3202
02:05:38,629 --> 02:05:36,400
who's that

3203
02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:38,639
stanley kramer

3204
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:41,440
miguel de cervantes

3205
02:05:45,430 --> 02:05:42,880
he doesn't know who stanley kramer is

3206
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:45,440
just a minute i'm going to leave

3207
02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:46,960
enlighten me

3208
02:05:52,070 --> 02:05:49,520
oh come on now

3209
02:05:55,350 --> 02:05:52,080
film director

3210
02:05:57,750 --> 02:05:55,360
stanley kramer no america stanley

3211
02:06:00,070 --> 02:05:57,760
kubrick i knew but not cramer yeah he

3212
02:06:00,950 --> 02:06:00,080
was also a film director

3213
02:06:03,589 --> 02:06:00,960
okay

3214
02:06:07,669 --> 02:06:03,599
what did he mean

3215
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:07,679
oh okay italian president pm

3216
02:06:15,270 --> 02:06:12,709
he's quite interesting

3217
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:15,280
i just i just love how in like italy and

3218
02:06:20,070 --> 02:06:16,480
france

3219
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:20,080
it is absolutely no big deal for

3220
02:06:26,070 --> 02:06:23,840
politicians leaders of countries to have

3221
02:06:27,830 --> 02:06:26,080
mistresses or you know sleep with

3222
02:06:29,669 --> 02:06:27,840
prostitutes and stuff it's just they

3223
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:29,679
don't really see that as a big deal as

3224
02:06:34,870 --> 02:06:33,199
long as they do their job okay but uh

3225
02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:34,880
certainly in the uk

3226
02:06:40,310 --> 02:06:37,360
no no no no you don't want to be

3227
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:40,320
pm and or a minister and get caught

3228
02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:42,800
having an affair you know that's that

3229
02:06:47,350 --> 02:06:45,679
always calls for a resignation

3230
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:47,360
all right stanley kramer let me just

3231
02:06:50,709 --> 02:06:48,800
throw this at you okay because you

3232
02:06:52,709 --> 02:06:50,719
really should know this okay

3233
02:06:54,390 --> 02:06:52,719
films he did

3234
02:06:56,069 --> 02:06:54,400
the wild one

3235
02:06:57,109 --> 02:06:56,079
high noon

3236
02:06:59,669 --> 02:06:57,119
okay

3237
02:07:02,470 --> 02:06:59,679
death of a salesman

3238
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:02,480
the defiant ones on the beach

3239
02:07:08,229 --> 02:07:04,320
inherit the wind

3240
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:08,239
judgment at nuremberg it's a mad mad mad

3241
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:10,320
mad world

3242
02:07:14,790 --> 02:07:12,960
guess who's coming to dinner

3243
02:07:17,030 --> 02:07:14,800
yeah i mean i know i know many of those

3244
02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:17,040
films but uh i mean they're

3245
02:07:21,990 --> 02:07:19,520
they're when when did he die

3246
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:22,000
or is he dead i presume he is

3247
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:25,040
yeah we did the films back in the 1950s

3248
02:07:31,669 --> 02:07:29,760
he died i am taking a look here in 2001.

3249
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:31,679
all right so not not too long ago yeah i

3250
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:34,320
mean uh no it's not a name that springs

3251
02:07:37,990 --> 02:07:35,840
to mind but i suppose there are many

3252
02:07:40,390 --> 02:07:38,000
movies i'm aware of and i wouldn't you

3253
02:07:43,109 --> 02:07:40,400
know it seems to be a bit like with you

3254
02:07:45,030 --> 02:07:43,119
know pop stars or something some some

3255
02:07:48,390 --> 02:07:45,040
movie directors

3256
02:07:50,709 --> 02:07:48,400
just become more famous than

3257
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:50,719
others it's always the kind of work that

3258
02:07:56,709 --> 02:07:52,960
speaks more than a kind of cult of

3259
02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:56,719
personality about them themselves

3260
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:58,960
um but uh

3261
02:08:02,310 --> 02:08:00,480
no that's funny and

3262
02:08:04,470 --> 02:08:02,320
i'm sure i'm sure

3263
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:04,480
i'm sure his name has entered my head

3264
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:06,159
sometime in the past but it's not one

3265
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:08,880
that jumps out to me

3266
02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:11,119
i mean if

3267
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:12,239
i mean that's

3268
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:14,960
movies from the 50s it's kind of

3269
02:08:20,550 --> 02:08:17,360
i mean i do i don't mind watching old

3270
02:08:22,709 --> 02:08:20,560
movies there are loads of movies made

3271
02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:22,719
since the start i will be making

3272
02:08:26,950 --> 02:08:24,560
that are great and worthwhile watching

3273
02:08:29,350 --> 02:08:26,960
but i wouldn't tend to know directors

3274
02:08:31,830 --> 02:08:29,360
from from back then i suppose

3275
02:08:33,990 --> 02:08:31,840
apart from a few

3276
02:08:36,709 --> 02:08:34,000
my brother was born march 13th and he

3277
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:36,719
died like in the early 90s

3278
02:08:41,030 --> 02:08:39,280
and i can't think of anyone i'm looking

3279
02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:41,040
at the names

3280
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:44,320
born on that date who was really famous

3281
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:47,040
i mean there are people there oh adam

3282
02:08:50,709 --> 02:08:49,360
clayton from you too

3283
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:50,719
okay

3284
02:08:54,550 --> 02:08:52,960
i'm looking at other names and i don't

3285
02:08:55,830 --> 02:08:54,560
recognize them they're figures of

3286
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:55,840
history

3287
02:09:00,149 --> 02:08:57,360
but i don't recognize any of them in

3288
02:09:01,830 --> 02:09:00,159
fact so many of them have no photo

3289
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:01,840
they're so insignificant there's no

3290
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:04,320
photo there's no drawing so my late

3291
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:06,960
brother wally steinberg was born on a

3292
02:09:09,990 --> 02:09:08,320
day where

3293
02:09:11,589 --> 02:09:10,000
it wasn't that significant no what's

3294
02:09:14,390 --> 02:09:11,599
going to happen now is every single

3295
02:09:17,030 --> 02:09:14,400
listener to the power cast born on march

3296
02:09:19,270 --> 02:09:17,040
13th who has a family member or close

3297
02:09:22,149 --> 02:09:19,280
friend they were right and they will

3298
02:09:24,470 --> 02:09:22,159
yell scream at us

3299
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:24,480
well if we're talking about birthdays

3300
02:09:28,069 --> 02:09:25,440
and

3301
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:28,079
you mentioned uh briefly

3302
02:09:30,950 --> 02:09:29,840
star signs there

3303
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:30,960
earlier

3304
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:35,119
um i i do not believe in horoscopes at

3305
02:09:39,589 --> 02:09:36,079
all

3306
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:39,599
but it is i do think the whole idea of

3307
02:09:43,830 --> 02:09:41,599
the zodiac and

3308
02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:43,840
the division of 12

3309
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you know us having 12 months um there

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are

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if you really look into it there is

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quite a quite a lot of occult stuff to

3313
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do with this division of 12

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i so i don't i don't think

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i i you know your average um

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you know rag mag

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uh person who does horoscopes yeah i

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just think they just regenerate and

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regurgitate things that you know are

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i agree but the only 12 we have is 12

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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

3438
02:15:01,230 --> 02:14:59,679
encyclopedia in other books you're

3439
02:15:05,750 --> 02:15:01,240
listening to the peercast

3440
02:15:10,069 --> 02:15:08,310
so i wonder why we have 12 segments on

3441
02:15:11,350 --> 02:15:10,079
the power cast

3442
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:11,360
every week

3443
02:15:15,030 --> 02:15:13,760
there you go exactly and what i was just

3444
02:15:17,430 --> 02:15:15,040
going to say was that

3445
02:15:19,030 --> 02:15:17,440
whilst i don't believe in horoscopes i

3446
02:15:20,069 --> 02:15:19,040
wonder maybe

3447
02:15:20,830 --> 02:15:20,079
do the

3448
02:15:28,310 --> 02:15:20,840
the

3449
02:15:30,229 --> 02:15:28,320
gravitational forces could it have any

3450
02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:30,239
effect on

3451
02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:33,040
how how we turn out in life with the old

3452
02:15:38,310 --> 02:15:35,679
nature versus nurture things so forget

3453
02:15:40,229 --> 02:15:38,320
horoscopes but could they your time and

3454
02:15:43,750 --> 02:15:40,239
the year you were born you know because

3455
02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:43,760
in some cultures they they will do whole

3456
02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:45,760
not just like monthly horoscopes but

3457
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:47,840
maybe some of the buddhists or whatever

3458
02:15:52,470 --> 02:15:50,400
when you tell them when and where you

3459
02:15:55,189 --> 02:15:52,480
were born what year they will kind of

3460
02:15:57,589 --> 02:15:55,199
write these whole huge things about your

3461
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:57,599
life and maybe what you may have been in

3462
02:16:02,069 --> 02:16:00,000
a former life and who knows if there's

3463
02:16:03,830 --> 02:16:02,079
anything to it but but

3464
02:16:05,189 --> 02:16:03,840
that kind of stuff i find kind of

3465
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:05,199
interesting

3466
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:07,760
and the whole idea of 12

3467
02:16:10,709 --> 02:16:09,679
but i don't i don't know enough about it

3468
02:16:12,709 --> 02:16:10,719
to kind of

3469
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:12,719
speak eloquently or really come out with

3470
02:16:16,550 --> 02:16:14,880
some great ideas but there's something

3471
02:16:18,470 --> 02:16:16,560
there for sure

3472
02:16:20,069 --> 02:16:18,480
i like the chinese horoscopes with the

3473
02:16:22,149 --> 02:16:20,079
different animals

3474
02:16:25,750 --> 02:16:22,159
yeah i was born in the year of the

3475
02:16:29,910 --> 02:16:27,830
i i don't know it's about the year of my

3476
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:29,920
i think i did see one time and i don't

3477
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:32,479
know if it was monkey or oxen or

3478
02:16:35,030 --> 02:16:33,679
something

3479
02:16:36,790 --> 02:16:35,040
wait a minute wait a minute you were

3480
02:16:38,150 --> 02:16:36,800
born in the year of the rooster right

3481
02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:38,160
chris

3482
02:16:42,070 --> 02:16:40,479
yep it's a 12 year cycle

3483
02:16:43,509 --> 02:16:42,080
so was i

3484
02:16:44,629 --> 02:16:43,519
oh

3485
02:16:46,070 --> 02:16:44,639
no wonder

3486
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:46,080
i don't know what to say about that that

3487
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:47,840
must be a curse or something that that

3488
02:16:50,309 --> 02:16:48,719
happened

3489
02:16:52,629 --> 02:16:50,319
yeah

3490
02:16:53,990 --> 02:16:52,639
so you're 12 years older than me that's

3491
02:16:56,230 --> 02:16:54,000
right

3492
02:16:59,669 --> 02:16:56,240
what year were you born cogs

3493
02:17:03,190 --> 02:16:59,679
i was born in 1973 which i know was a

3494
02:17:04,709 --> 02:17:03,200
great paranormal year uh for ufo flaps

3495
02:17:07,589 --> 02:17:04,719
and what have you

3496
02:17:11,589 --> 02:17:07,599
uh i believe it was and it was also a

3497
02:17:14,549 --> 02:17:11,599
year where gong put out a great album

3498
02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:14,559
it's the house it's

3499
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:16,240
there you go that was one of the ones i

3500
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:18,319
said yeah so what else

3501
02:17:22,950 --> 02:17:20,719
dark side of the moon came out exactly

3502
02:17:25,509 --> 02:17:22,960
yeah good one yeah

3503
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:25,519
i've always said i wished you know i i

3504
02:17:30,549 --> 02:17:28,000
would quite happily have been born 10

3505
02:17:31,990 --> 02:17:30,559
years earlier i was never actually that

3506
02:17:35,429 --> 02:17:32,000
bothered that i

3507
02:17:37,429 --> 02:17:35,439
wasn't i didn't experience the 60s

3508
02:17:38,709 --> 02:17:37,439
but the 70s

3509
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:38,719
i think

3510
02:17:43,750 --> 02:17:41,040
even though i was obviously alive then i

3511
02:17:45,429 --> 02:17:43,760
i just think the 70s were a great decade

3512
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:45,439
and i think that's because i i really

3513
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:47,599
like a lot of the music from them

3514
02:17:53,030 --> 02:17:50,399
and it was just kind of

3515
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:53,040
the 70s was really kind of like the last

3516
02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:54,479
decade

3517
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:55,599
of

3518
02:18:01,270 --> 02:17:59,280
mostly analog and before computers were

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everywhere and in schools and kind of

3520
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stuff and

3521
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:03,439
[Music]

3522
02:18:08,389 --> 02:18:05,280
i don't know i'm just quite nostalgic

3523
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:08,399
about the 70s and

3524
02:18:12,950 --> 02:18:10,559
i think it had a lot to offer i like tv

3525
02:18:15,270 --> 02:18:12,960
shows from the 70s you know i like hill

3526
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:15,280
street blues i like you know i like lots

3527
02:18:21,429 --> 02:18:17,840
of american shows british shows

3528
02:18:23,349 --> 02:18:21,439
movies from them the exorcists whatever

3529
02:18:25,750 --> 02:18:23,359
i just think the 70s were a great decade

3530
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:25,760
now i'm not arguing for a second that it

3531
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:26,800
was a

3532
02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:28,399
a more

3533
02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:31,040
amazing changing whatever decade

3534
02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:33,519
compared to the 60s but just

3535
02:18:38,150 --> 02:18:35,920
personally because of when i was born

3536
02:18:40,389 --> 02:18:38,160
and the music i was into it it was a

3537
02:18:42,469 --> 02:18:40,399
decade i wish i could have experienced

3538
02:18:44,070 --> 02:18:42,479
just a little bit older

3539
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:44,080
um

3540
02:18:46,790 --> 02:18:44,880
yeah

3541
02:18:48,389 --> 02:18:46,800
let me ask you a very silly question

3542
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:48,399
here because it just occurred to me as

3543
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:51,120
we talk about our best years

3544
02:18:55,190 --> 02:18:53,280
because i thought gee if i had to go

3545
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:55,200
back through time

3546
02:18:59,750 --> 02:18:57,760
and i could relive a year or just go

3547
02:19:01,990 --> 02:18:59,760
back there and maybe change a few things

3548
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:02,000
what year would i go back to

3549
02:19:08,870 --> 02:19:07,200
and i would think probably 1974 or 1975

3550
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:08,880
because a lot of things which i won't

3551
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:11,599
mention here happen to me

3552
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:14,639
chris if you had a chance to go back

3553
02:19:20,309 --> 02:19:17,599
relive a year just go back and maybe try

3554
02:19:22,549 --> 02:19:20,319
to make a few changes what year would

3555
02:19:24,870 --> 02:19:22,559
you go back to

3556
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:24,880
1993 i wouldn't have gotten involved in

3557
02:19:31,589 --> 02:19:30,389
cogs

3558
02:19:34,070 --> 02:19:31,599
um

3559
02:19:34,790 --> 02:19:34,080
a year to go back to a year to go back

3560
02:19:40,950 --> 02:19:34,800
to

3561
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:40,960
kind of friends and circle of people

3562
02:19:46,709 --> 02:19:44,160
that as much as some things in adulthood

3563
02:19:48,469 --> 02:19:46,719
are great and a lot of people look back

3564
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:48,479
with rose tinted glasses to their

3565
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:52,000
childhoods and stuff i liked the the age

3566
02:19:59,429 --> 02:19:56,880
of around say 12 13 or so because

3567
02:20:02,150 --> 02:19:59,439
you were starting to know a lot more

3568
02:20:03,990 --> 02:20:02,160
than just being an innocent child but

3569
02:20:06,550 --> 02:20:04,000
you weren't weren't yet old enough

3570
02:20:08,710 --> 02:20:06,560
really to have any responsibilities or

3571
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:08,720
anything too much to worry about and you

3572
02:20:11,990 --> 02:20:09,600
just

3573
02:20:13,830 --> 02:20:12,000
never had to plan for anything at that

3574
02:20:16,150 --> 02:20:13,840
time still your parents kind of took

3575
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:16,160
care of a lot of things but you could

3576
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:18,640
just go out and have fun i mean at that

3577
02:20:21,910 --> 02:20:20,800
age i worry about kids these days

3578
02:20:24,150 --> 02:20:21,920
because they're all looking at a

3579
02:20:25,750 --> 02:20:24,160
smartphone or they're inside playing

3580
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online games and

3581
02:20:30,150 --> 02:20:27,680
getting a bit overweight or maybe not

3582
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:30,160
all getting as much exercise as maybe we

3583
02:20:36,550 --> 02:20:33,520
did but back that age we were making

3584
02:20:38,630 --> 02:20:36,560
death slides and rope swings you know

3585
02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:38,640
over rivers and

3586
02:20:42,550 --> 02:20:41,680
just you know go going out and

3587
02:21:00,230 --> 02:20:42,560
i

3588
02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:00,240
nobody

3589
02:21:04,469 --> 02:21:02,560
got driven to school to and from school

3590
02:21:07,270 --> 02:21:04,479
but i sometimes drive past primary

3591
02:21:09,270 --> 02:21:07,280
schools now and the whole street is

3592
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:09,280
chock-a-block with moms or dads or

3593
02:21:14,309 --> 02:21:11,359
whatever sitting there waiting to pick

3594
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:14,319
up their kids and i kind of wonder

3595
02:21:19,590 --> 02:21:16,080
they're probably not that far away and

3596
02:21:21,830 --> 02:21:19,600
people are so scared now to kind of let

3597
02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:21,840
a lot eight-year-olds or even a group of

3598
02:21:25,030 --> 02:21:23,840
them walk to school and back

3599
02:21:28,150 --> 02:21:25,040
and

3600
02:21:29,750 --> 02:21:28,160
the world is not more dangerous now i

3601
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:29,760
don't think and

3602
02:21:35,349 --> 02:21:32,800
you know there was campaigns

3603
02:21:37,270 --> 02:21:35,359
in the 80s and 90s here about you know

3604
02:21:40,389 --> 02:21:37,280
stranger danger and stuff like that

3605
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:40,399
really the danger to kids is far more

3606
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,359
likely to come from a family member or

3607
02:21:48,230 --> 02:21:45,520
somebody that they know

3608
02:21:49,429 --> 02:21:48,240
not some dodgy man hanging outside the

3609
02:21:50,469 --> 02:21:49,439
school gates

3610
02:21:52,070 --> 02:21:50,479
and

3611
02:21:53,830 --> 02:21:52,080
you know we

3612
02:21:55,910 --> 02:21:53,840
i don't really remember any bad things

3613
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:55,920
happening to any of my contemporaries

3614
02:22:00,710 --> 02:21:57,600
and we used to walk a mile to school in

3615
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:00,720
a while mild back any weather any level

3616
02:22:05,670 --> 02:22:03,520
of darkness due to winter whatever and

3617
02:22:07,990 --> 02:22:05,680
now it just seems that people are so

3618
02:22:09,030 --> 02:22:08,000
kind of uh they're cotton wool wrap

3619
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:09,040
around them

3620
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:11,840
it may be they they influence the media

3621
02:22:15,910 --> 02:22:14,240
that kind of i mean i understand

3622
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:15,920
i'm not a parent but i can understand

3623
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:16,880
parents

3624
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:18,479
just worrying about their kids and

3625
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:19,840
obviously wanting to keep them safe and

3626
02:22:23,270 --> 02:22:21,680
wanting to do the best for them but i

3627
02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:23,280
just wonder if

3628
02:22:27,750 --> 02:22:25,200
some kids these days they're a bit

3629
02:22:31,030 --> 02:22:27,760
smothered and just not allowed to run

3630
02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:31,040
free as much and i i'm just glad

3631
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:33,040
going back to the 70s i'm glad i was

3632
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:34,880
born a decade when

3633
02:22:41,590 --> 02:22:38,160
when we did kind of run free and uh

3634
02:22:43,270 --> 02:22:41,600
i i would not want to be born today so i

3635
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:43,280
think some of the things that we got up

3636
02:22:46,790 --> 02:22:45,840
to when i was in secondary school high

3637
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:46,800
school

3638
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:49,600
and it would be really worrying to me

3639
02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:51,760
now to i think go back think back all

3640
02:22:55,830 --> 02:22:53,040
those years

3641
02:22:58,710 --> 02:22:55,840
and to think that almost anyone that

3642
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:58,720
could have been around could be filming

3643
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:00,960
what you were doing or recording it on

3644
02:23:05,990 --> 02:23:02,720
the internet and it would be there

3645
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:06,000
forever i think that's a horrible thing

3646
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:07,680
for today's youth when they're going

3647
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:09,600
through the period of making mistakes

3648
02:23:14,150 --> 02:23:12,319
and stuff it's it's great that nobody

3649
02:23:16,309 --> 02:23:14,160
can nobody's got a time machine to go

3650
02:23:19,110 --> 02:23:16,319
back and see what i may have did wrong

3651
02:23:21,670 --> 02:23:19,120
or what we what naughty things we may

3652
02:23:24,469 --> 02:23:21,680
have got up to or whatever and i i

3653
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:24,479
really feel for today's kids where

3654
02:23:29,190 --> 02:23:27,120
you're almost you've got to be on social

3655
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media and

3656
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:31,600
they they're far more

3657
02:23:36,469 --> 02:23:34,000
just around me and aberdeen the like gym

3658
02:23:38,630 --> 02:23:36,479
membership has rocketed in like young

3659
02:23:40,630 --> 02:23:38,640
men and they're all going to tanning

3660
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:40,640
salons and they're they're all really

3661
02:23:44,710 --> 02:23:42,640
worried about their bodies like you know

3662
02:23:47,990 --> 02:23:44,720
they don't look buffy enough and

3663
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:48,000
and nobody thought like that really

3664
02:23:52,309 --> 02:23:50,399
back in the 70s and

3665
02:23:55,270 --> 02:23:52,319
that that's why i keep going back to i

3666
02:23:57,270 --> 02:23:55,280
think it was a it was a a decade when

3667
02:23:59,590 --> 02:23:57,280
i'm not say it was anything about any

3668
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kind of lost innocence but it seemed to

3669
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be

3670
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state really started to creep in and

3671
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things like health and safety at work

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when it gets a bit ridiculous like you

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the kettles that say caution may contain

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hot water there's just no need for this

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3782
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very interesting here when i was six or

3783
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seven years old

3784
02:29:16,630 --> 02:29:15,120
my mom never objected to me walking to

3785
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school and she was a pretty protective

3786
02:29:19,830 --> 02:29:18,640
kind of person but we never thought of

3787
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it then

3788
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you know that was it wasn't on the

3789
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3790
02:29:28,309 --> 02:29:26,080
it's become a dangerous place even as

3791
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crime has gone down i mean people talk

3792
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about high crime rates but actually

3793
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except for some increases this year in

3794
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3795
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crime is down over what it was 30 40 50

3796
02:29:39,750 --> 02:29:37,760
years ago way down

3797
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:39,760
but we all feel less safe and part of

3798
02:29:44,389 --> 02:29:41,520
that is just the culture

3799
02:29:46,950 --> 02:29:44,399
that everything is being watched

3800
02:29:49,349 --> 02:29:46,960
there is no freedom big brother is there

3801
02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:49,359
we laughed about big brother in 1984 but

3802
02:29:53,590 --> 02:29:51,840
big brother's there right now

3803
02:29:56,309 --> 02:29:53,600
in fact if you're a politician forget

3804
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:56,319
about it you can't as much as sneeze

3805
02:29:59,910 --> 02:29:58,720
before they'll analyze every sneeze

3806
02:30:02,950 --> 02:29:59,920
every breath

3807
02:30:06,070 --> 02:30:02,960
every mistake every

3808
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error in your tone if you say one thing

3809
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wrong one sentence one word

3810
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:10,960
they will analyze you to death for the

3811
02:30:14,469 --> 02:30:12,640
next six weeks

3812
02:30:17,030 --> 02:30:14,479
i mean that's something we've lost we

3813
02:30:18,710 --> 02:30:17,040
have no privacy we have no freedom

3814
02:30:19,910 --> 02:30:18,720
yeah if you're a celebrity or a

3815
02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:19,920
politician

3816
02:30:24,309 --> 02:30:22,080
you might as well

3817
02:30:27,110 --> 02:30:24,319
go about your life as if you are

3818
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:27,120
constantly being filmed and people are

3819
02:30:30,309 --> 02:30:29,200
taking a note of everything you say and

3820
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:30,319
what you do

3821
02:30:35,590 --> 02:30:31,040
and

3822
02:30:37,590 --> 02:30:35,600
all the time must be

3823
02:30:38,469 --> 02:30:37,600
just so exhausting

3824
02:30:40,469 --> 02:30:38,479
and

3825
02:30:42,710 --> 02:30:40,479
it's not a good thing

3826
02:30:44,389 --> 02:30:42,720
it's part of modern society that i don't

3827
02:30:45,590 --> 02:30:44,399
particularly like i'm not too worried

3828
02:30:47,990 --> 02:30:45,600
about

3829
02:30:49,910 --> 02:30:48,000
surveillance because i'm i'm not getting

3830
02:30:51,429 --> 02:30:49,920
up to anything that i'm worried about

3831
02:30:53,750 --> 02:30:51,439
being seen but just

3832
02:30:55,670 --> 02:30:53,760
to just the fact that

3833
02:30:56,790 --> 02:30:55,680
the fact that you know

3834
02:30:59,750 --> 02:30:56,800
things

3835
02:31:01,750 --> 02:30:59,760
are not so easily forgotten or left in

3836
02:31:02,870 --> 02:31:01,760
the past now because there are so many

3837
02:31:04,550 --> 02:31:02,880
ways

3838
02:31:07,110 --> 02:31:04,560
no i don't just mean images but there's

3839
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so many ways that information and what

3840
02:31:12,790 --> 02:31:10,240
have you it is recorded almost like you

3841
02:31:17,190 --> 02:31:12,800
know forever now you know if the three

3842
02:31:18,790 --> 02:31:17,200
of us were 10 12 15 years old now

3843
02:31:21,910 --> 02:31:18,800
what what goes through

3844
02:31:24,309 --> 02:31:21,920
the minds of a 10 12 year old 15 year

3845
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:24,319
old and what they might say off the cuff

3846
02:31:30,710 --> 02:31:27,200
and write on the internet there's no way

3847
02:31:33,510 --> 02:31:30,720
that 90 that stuff you would want

3848
02:31:35,270 --> 02:31:33,520
somebody reading 20 years later but it's

3849
02:31:37,429 --> 02:31:35,280
going to be there and it really worries

3850
02:31:39,750 --> 02:31:37,439
me hearing that when people go for job

3851
02:31:42,550 --> 02:31:39,760
interviews that you know companies are

3852
02:31:44,790 --> 02:31:42,560
looking at people's facebook pages and

3853
02:31:46,710 --> 02:31:44,800
seeing what they say and stuff like that

3854
02:31:48,870 --> 02:31:46,720
i don't think employers prospective

3855
02:31:51,590 --> 02:31:48,880
employers should be doing that unless

3856
02:31:52,550 --> 02:31:51,600
they're literally given a solid reason

3857
02:31:54,630 --> 02:31:52,560
to

3858
02:31:56,950 --> 02:31:54,640
have concern about a candidate or

3859
02:31:59,110 --> 02:31:56,960
something but can you imagine being

3860
02:32:01,349 --> 02:31:59,120
going for your first job interview after

3861
02:32:04,309 --> 02:32:01,359
come out of college or whatever

3862
02:32:07,030 --> 02:32:04,319
20 21 years old everything's going great

3863
02:32:09,670 --> 02:32:07,040
into your first interview and then they

3864
02:32:11,950 --> 02:32:09,680
say so why did you write this about the

3865
02:32:15,750 --> 02:32:11,960
war in syria back in

3866
02:32:17,910 --> 02:32:15,760
2015 or whatever you don't even remember

3867
02:32:20,630 --> 02:32:17,920
posting that or somebody was doing some

3868
02:32:22,950 --> 02:32:20,640
drunk texting or posting and it's there

3869
02:32:25,190 --> 02:32:22,960
and somebody can dig it up so it's

3870
02:32:27,110 --> 02:32:25,200
worrying you know what that reminds me

3871
02:32:30,870 --> 02:32:27,120
just very recently i moved this a lot of

3872
02:32:33,349 --> 02:32:30,880
our listeners know and i had almost

3873
02:32:35,429 --> 02:32:33,359
landed a very nice house an expensive

3874
02:32:36,309 --> 02:32:35,439
everything beautiful neighborhood and

3875
02:32:38,389 --> 02:32:36,319
then

3876
02:32:40,710 --> 02:32:38,399
the prospective landlord

3877
02:32:42,309 --> 02:32:40,720
looked online and saw somebody criticize

3878
02:32:44,230 --> 02:32:42,319
me for something and unfortunately when

3879
02:32:46,309 --> 02:32:44,240
you're in the public eye when you host a

3880
02:32:47,990 --> 02:32:46,319
radio show or whatever some people like

3881
02:32:51,110 --> 02:32:48,000
you some people hate you some people

3882
02:32:53,670 --> 02:32:51,120
don't care well somebody who hated me

3883
02:32:55,349 --> 02:32:53,680
said something that was obviously untrue

3884
02:32:57,270 --> 02:32:55,359
and ridiculous but she saw it and said

3885
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:57,280
you know what what is this all about and

3886
02:33:01,510 --> 02:32:59,040
starts giving me the third degree

3887
02:33:03,750 --> 02:33:01,520
perfect example the perfect example

3888
02:33:06,630 --> 02:33:03,760
exactly this is preposterous

3889
02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:06,640
that's why i i stopped using facebook

3890
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:08,720
several years ago i did like it for a

3891
02:33:11,510 --> 02:33:10,560
while and i started to even admit to

3892
02:33:13,590 --> 02:33:11,520
myself

3893
02:33:15,750 --> 02:33:13,600
hey i'm checking my feed in the morning

3894
02:33:18,150 --> 02:33:15,760
before go to before i go to work and i

3895
02:33:20,150 --> 02:33:18,160
thought am i kind of getting in a way

3896
02:33:22,469 --> 02:33:20,160
addicted to this and then when you

3897
02:33:24,790 --> 02:33:22,479
started to hear in the news it was

3898
02:33:27,510 --> 02:33:24,800
filtering through that you know people's

3899
02:33:29,270 --> 02:33:27,520
past were being turned up and

3900
02:33:31,590 --> 02:33:29,280
things they'd maybe forgotten about or

3901
02:33:34,389 --> 02:33:31,600
they they wish they hadn't said and we

3902
02:33:37,270 --> 02:33:34,399
all have but they can be used against

3903
02:33:39,349 --> 02:33:37,280
you in perpetuity now and i'm so glad

3904
02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:39,359
that i got through the difficult

3905
02:33:44,070 --> 02:33:42,080
transition of adolescence without any of

3906
02:33:46,309 --> 02:33:44,080
that and i really do feel for kids in

3907
02:33:48,389 --> 02:33:46,319
the western world now and for a lot of

3908
02:33:50,870 --> 02:33:48,399
world i think they've got a tough time

3909
02:33:52,070 --> 02:33:50,880
and it's very worrying especially i

3910
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:52,080
really feel for

3911
02:33:56,070 --> 02:33:54,160
guys as well but for for young girls

3912
02:33:57,750 --> 02:33:56,080
they've just got such unrealistic

3913
02:34:00,550 --> 02:33:57,760
expectations

3914
02:34:02,630 --> 02:34:00,560
and self-body image they just can't

3915
02:34:05,750 --> 02:34:02,640
convince themselves about

3916
02:34:06,630 --> 02:34:05,760
how even models are totally photoshopped

3917
02:34:13,110 --> 02:34:06,640
and

3918
02:34:15,110 --> 02:34:13,120
know a model is not the average person

3919
02:34:17,110 --> 02:34:15,120
it's a horrible start in life to kind of

3920
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:17,120
hate yourself because you don't look

3921
02:34:19,910 --> 02:34:17,920
like

3922
02:34:22,070 --> 02:34:19,920
such and such a person on the cover of

3923
02:34:24,389 --> 02:34:22,080
magazine and there's always been models

3924
02:34:26,309 --> 02:34:24,399
and stuff like that but it's never been

3925
02:34:28,389 --> 02:34:26,319
so in your face all the time

3926
02:34:30,630 --> 02:34:28,399
i think i just think kids have got a

3927
02:34:31,910 --> 02:34:30,640
tough time young adults i've got a tough

3928
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:31,920
time just now

3929
02:34:37,429 --> 02:34:34,960
i hope the culture kind of starts to

3930
02:34:39,510 --> 02:34:37,439
move away from this social media

3931
02:34:41,110 --> 02:34:39,520
saturation and

3932
02:34:43,429 --> 02:34:41,120
tinder and

3933
02:34:45,670 --> 02:34:43,439
you know just instagram and just all

3934
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:45,680
this and another thing that kind of

3935
02:34:50,309 --> 02:34:47,920
annoys me about it all is in the

3936
02:34:52,230 --> 02:34:50,319
facebook days i read a post for a guy i

3937
02:34:54,309 --> 02:34:52,240
worked with it said sitting here in the

3938
02:34:56,710 --> 02:34:54,319
waiting room at the dentist and i

3939
02:34:59,830 --> 02:34:56,720
thought prior to facebook would you have

3940
02:35:01,830 --> 02:34:59,840
gone out to a call box the telephone box

3941
02:35:04,309 --> 02:35:01,840
and rang up all your friends to say yeah

3942
02:35:05,990 --> 02:35:04,319
hey i'm sitting in the the dentist

3943
02:35:08,070 --> 02:35:06,000
waiting room it's like people are

3944
02:35:09,030 --> 02:35:08,080
telling each other the most inane

3945
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:09,040
rubbish

3946
02:35:13,510 --> 02:35:11,120
taking photos of the dinner they're

3947
02:35:15,510 --> 02:35:13,520
having at lunch and say oh look what i'm

3948
02:35:17,750 --> 02:35:15,520
eating and you see that's how they get

3949
02:35:19,750 --> 02:35:17,760
very rich mark zuckerberg

3950
02:35:21,670 --> 02:35:19,760
and other people have enabled people to

3951
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:21,680
take the most unimportant things in

3952
02:35:25,830 --> 02:35:22,880
their lives

3953
02:35:29,110 --> 02:35:25,840
give them self-importance oh look i'm on

3954
02:35:31,990 --> 02:35:29,120
facebook i have followers people are

3955
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:32,000
following me i will follow them

3956
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:33,680
sounds like an old song i will follow

3957
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:34,720
forget it

3958
02:35:40,309 --> 02:35:37,359
people are following me isn't it just

3959
02:35:43,990 --> 02:35:40,319
wonderful i am now important i can do a

3960
02:35:46,950 --> 02:35:44,000
selfie they modifying current mobile

3961
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:46,960
devices to take good pictures selfies

3962
02:35:53,030 --> 02:35:49,520
like the latest iphone from apple has a

3963
02:35:56,469 --> 02:35:53,040
higher resolution camera in the front

3964
02:35:57,670 --> 02:35:56,479
for a selfie or for voice or video

3965
02:35:59,830 --> 02:35:57,680
chatting

3966
02:36:01,270 --> 02:35:59,840
we're so into ourselves that we don't

3967
02:36:02,870 --> 02:36:01,280
see what's going on around us and then

3968
02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:02,880
of course what that also means is we're

3969
02:36:05,910 --> 02:36:04,640
very polarized we're all in these tiny

3970
02:36:08,710 --> 02:36:05,920
little clubs

3971
02:36:11,110 --> 02:36:08,720
and we exist in these clubs and we have

3972
02:36:12,550 --> 02:36:11,120
media serving that club because they

3973
02:36:14,870 --> 02:36:12,560
make money from it

3974
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:14,880
we have this self-reinforcing bubble

3975
02:36:19,190 --> 02:36:17,600
system and i don't think anybody unless

3976
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:19,200
they pay a lot of attention unless

3977
02:36:22,790 --> 02:36:20,800
they're really careful

3978
02:36:24,950 --> 02:36:22,800
can escape it and that's also a way for

3979
02:36:27,110 --> 02:36:24,960
people to control you by the way because

3980
02:36:29,590 --> 02:36:27,120
they know you exist in a bubble they

3981
02:36:32,469 --> 02:36:29,600
take advantage of what you are what you

3982
02:36:35,030 --> 02:36:32,479
expect what you fear and they can do all

3983
02:36:37,030 --> 02:36:35,040
sorts of nasty things to you

3984
02:36:38,870 --> 02:36:37,040
that is a problem with social media if

3985
02:36:41,190 --> 02:36:38,880
you start winnowing out points of view

3986
02:36:43,190 --> 02:36:41,200
that don't agree with yours then what

3987
02:36:46,070 --> 02:36:43,200
you end up doing is creating an echo

3988
02:36:48,389 --> 02:36:46,080
chamber and you get a a very distorted

3989
02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:48,399
view of your reality that's why it's

3990
02:36:52,790 --> 02:36:50,399
important always to be open to

3991
02:36:55,429 --> 02:36:52,800
dissenting opinions and people who might

3992
02:36:57,110 --> 02:36:55,439
look at subjects and and agendas and

3993
02:36:58,950 --> 02:36:57,120
stuff differently than you it's it's

3994
02:37:01,349 --> 02:36:58,960
always important to get a well-rounded

3995
02:37:02,550 --> 02:37:01,359
context when you're uh going through

3996
02:37:04,389 --> 02:37:02,560
your everyday

3997
02:37:05,830 --> 02:37:04,399
life and social media does not it

3998
02:37:07,790 --> 02:37:05,840
doesn't promote that it promotes the

3999
02:37:09,670 --> 02:37:07,800
opposite it's just

4000
02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:09,680
self-congratulation that's how they make

4001
02:37:13,910 --> 02:37:12,000
their money with the targeted ads

4002
02:37:16,070 --> 02:37:13,920
and you are the product remember on

4003
02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:16,080
facebook you're not paying for it how

4004
02:37:20,870 --> 02:37:18,160
does facebook make billions of dollars a

4005
02:37:23,270 --> 02:37:20,880
year they're selling you how does google

4006
02:37:26,230 --> 02:37:23,280
make billions of dollars a year they are

4007
02:37:28,630 --> 02:37:26,240
selling you you are the product

4008
02:37:30,870 --> 02:37:28,640
off my soapbox you can find the

4009
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:30,880
powercast on twitter speaking of social

4010
02:37:35,910 --> 02:37:33,760
media go look for the power cast we are

4011
02:37:37,429 --> 02:37:35,920
on facebook we're so dedicated to the

4012
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:37,439
task that we have

4013
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:38,880
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02:37:43,110 --> 02:37:41,280
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4016
02:37:45,429 --> 02:37:44,080
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4017
02:37:47,590 --> 02:37:45,439
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